► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Jan 2017 23:22

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this MG-wagon ??
First, I thought an If.3 but now I am not sure... :?

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 13 Jan 2017 06:51

Hi Sturm 78,

You are right! It is a If. 3. You can see the right machine gun in the normal position, and the left one is erected for using as an AA machine gun.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Jan 2017 21:26

Bert wrote
You are right! It is a If. 3. You can see the right machine gun in the normal position, and the left one is erected for using as an AA machine gun.
Ummhhh....Are you sure. I think there are some differences between my Ebay image and Holger`s web page image of If.3 wagon:

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 14 Jan 2017 00:13

Hi Sturm 78,

thank You very much for Your critical reply. That´s really good, that You are critical, because we all make mistakes. For me there was an older and newer version of the If. 3. Here apic of the newer version I think.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Leo Niehorster » 14 Jan 2017 21:02

There were at least two variants of If. 3, namely the If. 3 (Bauart 08) and the If. 3 (Bauart 38). The "Bauart" indicates the type of machine gun that the cart was designed for, namely the water cooled MG 08 and MG 38.
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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 15 Jan 2017 00:20

Hi Leo,

thank You very much for the exact designation of the two variants of If. 3. I didn´t know about it. So I could learn another time something new because of Your great knowledge.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 15 Jan 2017 10:03

Bert wrote
thank You very much for Your critical reply. That´s really good, that You are critical, because we all make mistakes. For me there was an older and newer version of the If. 3. Here apic of the newer version I think.
Thanks a lot for your help, Bert... :wink:
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There were at least two variants of If. 3, namely the If. 3 (Bauart 08) and the If. 3 (Bauart 38). The "Bauart" indicates the type of machine gun that the cart was designed for, namely the water cooled MG 08 and MG 38.
Thank you for your info, Leo......MG38 ??? :? I only know the MG08, MG08-15, MG34 and MG42 in service with the German Army,...leaving aside captured machine guns or of Luftwaffe origin .....

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Leo Niehorster » 15 Jan 2017 10:48

Greetings!

I am not an expert of German weapons by any means, but I wondered about the MG 38 also, as it is not a familiar model. One possibility I found is the heavy, water cooled MG taken over from Czechs: ZB Vz.60/Mitralez 15mm M38 = MG 38(t) Kal.15mm
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=187419

These MG carts were used to transport the MG, but in some cases also used for antiaircraft defense.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Jan 2017 20:52

Leo wrote
I am not an expert of German weapons by any means, but I wondered about the MG 38 also, as it is not a familiar model. One possibility I found is the heavy, water cooled MG taken over from Czechs: ZB Vz.60/Mitralez 15mm M38 = MG 38(t) Kal.15mm
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=187419

These MG carts were used to transport the MG, but in some cases also used for antiaircraft defense.
Ummhhhhh...I do not think....we have only 7.92mm MG08 machineguns in all If.3 wagon images..... :?

On the other hand, Can somebody identify these wagons ?? Nf.2, Nf.4, ....???? :?

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Feb 2017 19:40

Nobody for my last image ??

Here, two images from Ebay: If.5 wagons

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by kerryboo » 07 Feb 2017 20:51

I am not strong on wagons, but I think that this is a HF.7 steel wagon,
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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by john_g_kearney » 27 Feb 2017 12:13

Looks like an Hf 7 to me, Kerry.

Can anybody tell me please what the triangular bracket by the left elbow of the soldier seated on the left-hand side of the wagon is for please?

And how about this? Is it an Ersatzfeldwagen? It looks like one, but the front wheels are smaller than the rear wheels, and the tilt bows are square not round. The wagon is in service with Pionier-Bataillon 222 in Norway circa 1941.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by kerryboo » 27 Feb 2017 15:15

Thank you John. I had thought that it was a shoe or chock for locking a wheel on a hill etc, but am not so sure now.
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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Mar 2017 22:10

Hi all,

An image from Ebay: Hf.1 or Hf.2 ??

Any idea about the image posted on 16 Jan 2017 ??

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 17 Mar 2017 19:27

Hi Sturm 78,

for me it is a Hf. 1. Here a pic for comparing (source: an expired ebay auction).

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