► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 18 Dec 2019 17:29

Hi Sturm 78,

in any case it is a Nachrichtenfahrzeug (Nf.) (signal vehicle), either a "leichterFernsprechwagen" Nf. 2 (light telephone wagon) or an "Infanterie-Nachrichtenwagen" Nf. 7 (infantry signals wagon). Sorry, I still do not know the difference between these two wagons.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Dec 2019 20:49

Hi, Bert, Thank you for your answer.

It is usually quite difficult to differentiate between different horse-draen wagons, especially between Nf models...
I am not sure about my last image ...I have in my computer this image identified as a Nf. or Nf.7 and I think it is different..... :?

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 20 Dec 2019 10:50

Hi Sturm 78,

thank You very much for Your response. You are right that it is quite difficult to differentiate between the horse-drawn wagons. I was looking through all of my pics with Nf. wagons and maybe I could find the solution by Your stimulus. I have only the copy of the original pic of a Nf. 7 of that time. That´s a vehicle with four seats for four men. So the pic You posted yesterday. That´s clear. Now my theory: the Nf. 2 could have six seats for six men, four on the rear wagon. So we would have to look are there two or four seats on the rear wagon, with four grips and a double back rest. And the other distinguishing mark is the box under the rear wagon You pointed out on Your pic with the red circle. What do You think about my theory?
Here the original pic of the Nf. 7 (source: www.panzer-archiv.de) and three pics of a rear wagon with four seats / men, which could be the Nf. 2. Interesting is pic 2 for me: the communication section of an artillery battery with an Af. 12 (on the right side) with six men on the rear wagon and a Nf. 2 (on the left side) with four men on the rear wagon. Each battery had these two special wagons. That would support my theory.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Dec 2019 15:28

Hi Bert,

Looking at your photos and at a first preliminary glance I can see another clear difference: the smallest diameter of the wheels in the rear wagon with 4 seats: Nf.2 according to your theory...

I will chek all the images in my computer later, to be able to comment with more base...

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Dec 2019 17:39

Hi Bert,

After having studied all the photos of these wagons that I have, I have come to the conclusion that it is very possible that you are right about the Nf.2 and Nf.7 wagons.
Here, some images of Nf.2 wagons (I think)

Another quite similar wagon is the Nf.4, of which there are very few photos. It seems that it had 3 seats facing back in the rear wagon with their corresponding footrests (and two front doors with crosses) and two seats facing forward in the front wagon with two doors in the back for radio material.
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... nf__4.html

Apart it seems that there were Nf.5 and Nf.6 wagons, of which I have never seen any images....

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 22 Dec 2019 10:00

Hi Strum 78,

thank You very much for Your competent reply and posting very interesting pics. After studying all my photos of these wagons I cannot stick to my theory. I found one pic with the inscription "l. Fsp. Wg. (Nf. 2)" and one with the tactical sign for an artillery unit (they used only Nf. 2). Maybe there was an old and a new version of this vehicle? Maybe the old version was already used during WW I. It seems that the version with four seats on the rear wagon had the old wheels with 12 bolts in contrary to the other version with six bolts.
Thank You for the advice about Nf.4. I agree with You, that this wagon had 3 seats facing back in the rear wagon. Here a pic with the insrciption Nf. 4.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 22 Dec 2019 11:09

Ummhhhhh.....This is getting more and more complicated .... :roll: :)


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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Jose85 » 04 Jan 2020 12:12

On funny note, a "bus", probably not military...
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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 05 Jan 2020 13:11

Hi all,

Two images from Ebay: Not standard military wagons (I think)

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 11 Jan 2020 14:47

Hi Strum,

thank You very much for posting these interesting pics. I don´t know the wagon on the first pic, but the wagons on pic 2 seem to be the "Ersatzfeldwagen 40" (Ef. 40), the successor of Hf. 1. There were produced 15.000 Ef. type 40 only in 1944.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Feb 2020 12:37

Hi all,

A nice colour image from Ebay: Hf.1 and other wagons

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 02 Feb 2020 13:18

Hi all,

If.3 wagons ??

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by SIS 5 » 04 Feb 2020 18:43

Hi Sturm 78,

You are right. Here a pic of an If. 3 with two heavy machine guns.

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 05 Feb 2020 18:50

Bert wrote
You are right. Here a pic of an If. 3 with two heavy machine guns.
Thank you, Bert... :wink:

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Re: ► Photothread: German horse-drawn wagons

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Feb 2020 16:54

Hi all,

Any idea about this ?

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