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Re: German armoured trains

Post by photo-war » 21 Oct 2013 18:41

Neil many thanks for so depth in reply! I appreciate your help!

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Wolfsangel » 22 Oct 2013 03:28

Hi Dan

you are welcome.

This train does not seem to have been moving when destroyed, as looks to have camouflage foliage leaning against some wagons.

The location of those places names I wrote can be found by searching in Google. All are in what was Prussia and the north, except Celldolmolk which was in Hungary. On closer inspection of the picture, the T38 does not look as damaged as I first thought.

Info about Panzerzug 69 (suggested in another post in this thread) is that it was lost east of Tarnopol in March 1944, shot up by tank attack. If this is Panzerzug 69, that makes the location in the Ukraine. The Panzerjager cars came into being in Spring 1944. No firm date known when the full armoured flak turrets were introduced, nor which trains got them, but probably only a few late trains at most, late in the war. On balance of probabilities this is most likely not Panzerzug 69

Panzerzug 30 was with the 4th Army in Prussia in 1945, and fought from Soldau to Deutsch-Eylau to Marienburg, taking many refugees along with it. Its final fate was being captured by the enemy at Gross-Katz on 21 March 1945. The older rebuilt armoured trains usually had different wagon shapes and appearance than the BP42-44 train types, they simply conformed with the format of the wagons and the armament of the BP42-44 without being carbon copies of the actual wagons. (BP42/44 types as in your picture were Panzerzug Numbers 60 to 82). Its also recorded that there were insufficient numbers of Panzerjaegerwagons to add to the older armoured trains. Though your photo could be Panzerzug 30 I think its less likely, particularly as 30 is recorded as captured, not destroyed by its own crew or destroyed by enemy attack.

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 11 Nov 2013 23:47

HI all,

An image from EBay: a rare Russian armoured railcar :?

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by AVV » 14 Nov 2013 13:58

Hello!
Sturm78 wrote:a rare Russian armoured railcar
Improvized armoured train built by the Soviet forces in Tallinn and captured by the Germans in August 1941.
Another photo of the same train - name of railway station is fully visible.

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Nov 2013 23:25

Thank you very much, Aleks. :)

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 22 Nov 2013 12:30

Hi all,

An image from EBay: I think Panzerzug 30

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 25 Nov 2013 10:50

Hi all,

Two small images from EBay:

Image 1: I think polish armoured train (or Pz 21 in German service)
Image 2: I think soviet Type BP35 armoured train captured

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 05 Jan 2014 13:07

Hi all,

A soviet armoured train KO:

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Jan 2014 11:41

Hi all,

Another two images of soviet armoured trains:

Images from Ebay
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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Jan 2014 10:42

Hi all,

Not armoured train but I found these two rare images of a huge German rail crane in action. 8O Its size is impressive !!
Does anyone have any more wartime image of this equipment?

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Jan 2014 00:24

Nobody ??

Well, here two other images of Russian rail equipment:

Image 1: I think Soviet armoured railcar of BP-35 type
Image 2: I think Soviet armoured railcar of OB-3 type

Images from EBay
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Re: German armoured trains

Post by ilfil » 24 Jan 2014 22:15

Sturm78 wrote:Nobody ??
Come on, friend, be patient. Such things need time to dig them out :(
Looks like this is a standard heavy railroad crane of 75 tons lifting capacity.
Have here similar one, the same base but differnet jib:

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Pictured in October 1941 while recovering the locomotive 17 220 who derailed leading the express train Erfurt - Münster. The crane Reichsbahn number is "Hamburg 800 001"
Hope you're happy now :D
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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 26 Jan 2014 13:01

Thank you very much for your information and images, ilfil. :)

It's not something you see often in pictures!!

On the other hand, a German armoured train. I am not sure if Pz.21 or Pz.22 armoured train :?

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Jan 2014 19:58

Hi all,

Image 1: PZ3 armoured train
Image 2: BP42 type German armoured train

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Re: German armoured trains

Post by Sturm78 » 08 Mar 2014 10:46

Hi all,

Two images from EBay:

Image 1: According to photocaption Panzerzug 25 in Charkow, Ostfront. 25 Aug. 1942 but I think that the date is wrong as in this date this train had lost this type of artillery railcar. Also, the camo paint seems his original czech scheme :? :?

Image 2: I think polish train Generał Sosnkowski KO in 1939

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