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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by fireindi64 » 24 Mar 2010 12:41

Oh oh oh....

I think the hole discusion about the retouche polish pic , last year was wrong :(
but is this a repaired windscreen or a unknown serial cap or a special civil cab builder?
and the windscreen wipers? I think the line isnt broken.
The car plate RAD= Reichs Arbeits Dienst ?

very miracle for me.

rember our discusion ????
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... u#p1351678

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... d#p1436426

best regards
Henning

ps. shows all 3 pics the same car ? I think the polish pic and the last from George are the same truck, look at the unit sign.

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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by Njorl » 24 Mar 2010 14:16

fireindi64 wrote:for Bert:
a little bit damaged bus :)
Hello Henning,

May I ask where you did find this photo of burnt-out H-L Omnibus? I'm very interested in history of this very vehicle.

Regards,
MJU

PS. The photograph was not taken in "Zamosk", as the filename suggests - I'm sure of that.

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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by carius » 25 Mar 2010 07:13

From eBay.de
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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by carius » 25 Mar 2010 07:34

One more...
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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by fireindi64 » 25 Mar 2010 08:01

Njorl wrote:
fireindi64 wrote:for Bert:
a little bit damaged bus :)
Hello Henning,

May I ask where you did find this photo of burnt-out H-L Omnibus? I'm very interested in history of this very vehicle.

Regards,
MJU

PS. The photograph was not taken in "Zamosk", as the filename suggests - I'm sure of that.
Hello,
sorry I cant rember. I took the pic out of www some years ago . I didnt collect the source.

Sorry

best regards
Henning

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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by fireindi64 » 25 Mar 2010 08:10

Hi George

Verry great pics, If someone know real existing "hard-ware" I would be happy.

I am searching for that 6 cyl Borgward Engine since 15 years, for mounting it in our fire service truck.

best Regards

Henning
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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by hucks216 » 25 Mar 2010 10:57

In case anyone is interested there is a Bogward truck from the Das Reich Division up for auction on Hermann Historica
http://www.hermann-historica.com
Item Description...
A Borgward 3000 A of the SS-Panzerdivision "Das Reich".

The vehicle needs restoration, but it is complete and in original condition, that is, it has the driver's cab with glass windows and dashboard including the instruments and controls, the seats and upholstery, the rear platform, the wooden side walls, the rifle racks, the tool box, and the trailer hitch. The only replacements are the side mirror, tires, heater, and rear lights, the spare tire is missing. A Model B 3000 A made in 1942 with chassis number "751392". The gasoline engine is blocked and incomplete with the exhaust, gas pump, carburetor, latch for the hood, and other parts missing. The engine mountings are broken. Original instruction plate on the oil reservoir. The tailgate bears the runes of the "Das Reich" division in yellow on its left side, and the tactical sign of the "Das Reich" division on the right side, each in the original paint but only recognisable as remnants.
The Borgward company has a long tradition of manufacturing military vehicles. In 1938, Carl Borgward opened the first factory of his own in Bremen-Sebaldsbrück, which produced deluxe vehicles as well as the 3000 A type trucks. General Schell became factory director, and his standardisation of production made it possible for this Borgward 3000 A to be produced with only minor differences by other manufacturers such as Opel, Ford, Magirus, or even Mercedes Benz. The 6 cylinder 3500 cc engine gave it a maximum speed of 80 km/h and a load of 3.4 tons.
This Borgward 3000 A needs complete restoration of the engine and body.
It is quite remarkably rare. To our knowledge this is the only Borgward 3000 A that can be shown to have belonged to the SS-Panzerdivision "Das Reich".
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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by Njorl » 25 Mar 2010 14:18

fireindi64 wrote: Hello,
sorry I cant rember. I took the pic out of www some years ago . I didnt collect the source.

Sorry

best regards
Henning
Henning, no need to be sorry :) Thanks for picture in better resolution. Below other view of the same vehicle.

As far as I know that very Omnibus served in Panzer-Regiment 15 and was destroyed on September the 9th 1939 in Stopnica.

Regards,
MJU
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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by peeved » 25 Mar 2010 14:46

Say Borgward type 3t Benzin G.W. (Source eBay.de).

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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by peeved » 25 Mar 2010 15:27

Another Borgward from eBay.de.

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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by SIS 5 » 25 Mar 2010 16:37

Hi,

not to forget the cars built by Borgward. Here one of them. I think, it is the model 2000 from 1939, but I´m not the expert of cars. Source: http://www.autogallery.org.ru

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Bert
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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by Bill Murray » 25 Mar 2010 18:24

Goodness, Bert, let's don't get started now on cars :P

According to Oswald's book Deutsche Autos 1920-1945, they only made Borgward cars for four years and for the rest of the time they were called Hansa.

Anyway, here is a bit of a funny.
Bill
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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by Sean N » 25 Mar 2010 18:37

Bill Murray wrote:Goodness, Bert, let's don't get started now on cars :P

According to Oswald's book Deutsche Autos 1920-1945, they only made Borgward cars for four years and for the rest of the time they were called Hansa.

Bill
I'm not sure that can be right, Bill, as they were certainly Borgward cars post-war - the Isabella, for example. Unless he meant strictly the timehe was writing about, and ignoring what happened outside that period.

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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by Bill Murray » 25 Mar 2010 22:09

Hi Sean:

You are correct, of course but in this case Oswald was as you say sticking to the years of the title of his book.
A very few of those Isabella's made it to our shores in the first wave of post WWII imports but they could not establish a dealer network for such a small volume car in such a large market so they never really caught on.

As a side note to that, when I was a police officer in 1961/1962, I owned a Fiat 600 and one of my fellow officers owned one of those BMW bubble cars (Isetta??) and my former room mates owned a 1959 Beetle and a 1960ish Austin Healy Bugeye Sprite. It was amazing what you could buy at that time in this country before all the safety/emissions/fuel consumption regulations came into effect in later years.

To name a few more that are now long gone from our shores, Renault, Peugot, Simca, Citroen, Rover, Sunbeam, Vauxhall, Opel, Taunus/Ford Cologne, Lancia...well I will stop there but there were probably a dozen more at that time and not one....one, from Japan or Korea, two countries that are high on the sales list here today.

Sorry, just a trip down nostalgia lane. Oh, forgot, we did have Yugos for a few years too.

Bill

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Re: Bloody Hansa LLoyd/Borgwards

Post by SIS 5 » 26 Mar 2010 00:11

Hi Bill,

O.K. You are right. Let´s stay at the trucks. You know that I prefer trucks. In the future I will try to post only pics of Hansa and Borgward trucks.

Regards

Bert

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