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► Photothread: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Dec 2011 19:59

Hi all,

I start this new thread about the motorcycles used by the German army during World War II, specially with the intention of identifying the different models of motorcycles used

Here, the first image. Can somebody identify this motorcycle?

Image from Ebay
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Clive Mortimore » 06 Dec 2011 20:36

Hi Sturm

Very hard to tell from that angle but I think it might be either a NSU 501 OSL or a NSU 601 OSL.
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Post by phylo_roadking » 06 Dec 2011 21:18

Clive, is it?? Whatever it is, it looks more like a sidevalve? Also, the front brake drum/plate is on the wrong side of the wheel.
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Clive Mortimore » 06 Dec 2011 21:40

phylo_roadking wrote:Clive, is it?? Whatever it is, it looks more like a sidevalve? Also, the front brake drum/plate is on the wrong side of the wheel.
I cannot recall where I got this photo from. It is an NSU 601 OSL, the brake drum is on the same (left side) as in Sturm's photo.
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by phylo_roadking » 06 Dec 2011 22:31

Well, it doesn't resolve the issue that there's a slightly inclined sidevalve engine in the WWII pic, as opposed to either NSU's vertical OHC motor :wink:
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Bill Murray » 06 Dec 2011 23:11

I know more or less nothing about motorcycles, but the tyres look Belgian to me FWIW.
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Post by Piotr Mikołajski » 07 Dec 2011 07:41

I know nothing about motorcycles but for me it looks like Belgian FN M12. Bill wrote about tyres, I see some other details - large reflector, "struts" (I don't know proper English word) keeping front wheel, "flat" fender etc. Just look at several photos of FN M12 posted in thread Captured Belgian Vehicles in German Service.
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by phylo_roadking » 07 Dec 2011 11:23

Hi Piotr - the M.12 is a sidevalve flat twin I.E. same cylinder layout as a BMW or Zundapp. This is an inclined ("sloper) sidevalve single.
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Clive Mortimore » 07 Dec 2011 14:57

Hi phylo_roadking

You seem to be telling us what it is not but not what it is. Any suggestions?

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Bill Murray » 07 Dec 2011 15:09

Gillette 720???
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by phylo_roadking » 07 Dec 2011 18:05

Bill, not the Gillet; notice the position of the exhaust exiting the head, and the sidemounted carb?

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Clive - I'm still searching! I just hope we're not looking at some sort of "bitza" :lol:
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Piotr Mikołajski » 07 Dec 2011 18:56

phylo_roadking wrote:Hi Piotr - the M.12 is a sidevalve flat twin I.E. same cylinder layout as a BMW or Zundapp. This is an inclined ("sloper) sidevalve single.
I wouldn't recognize cylinder layout even when both engines would be put on my desk ;)
But low number of WH registration suggest that this motorcycle entered Wehrmacht service before November 1938, at least judging by registration plates on this photo: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... ebiete.jpg
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Clive Mortimore » 07 Dec 2011 19:31

Hi Piotr

I would agree with you about the registration suggesting it was a pre war bike. Therefore possibly German manufacture, not from captured stock. I am unaware of any photos showing a captured machine with a standard German sidecar, it has a standard sidecar. On the "Oldtimers" site the chap who runs it has a collection of German Army photos listed by registration and in the same number range WH883xx he has two photos of motorcycles which suggest this bike is part of a batch of bikes. Trouble is they are not indetified (or indentifiable by me). http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/nf/krad ... zDiv_W.jpg and http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/nd/kradWH-88387_1W.jpg
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by peeved » 07 Dec 2011 21:50

How about Ardie? There's some similarities to this 750cc model at http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/22132704
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Clive Mortimore » 07 Dec 2011 22:56

Hi Markus

Well spotted. I am trying to google an image or two of them in Wehrmacht service, they were rare beasties.
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