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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by phylo_roadking » 11 Dec 2011 18:19

Well, it's more fair to say it seems to have the standard Wehrmacht sidecar body...given that we can't see any part of the actual sidechar chassis! :wink: Tho' there is one funny - the what looks to be a high and narrow round-topped grabrail at the sidecar passenger's right hand position. Looking through Hinrichsen again I haven't seen a single other grabrail like that - dozens of the lower, longer type that goes about a third of the way across, plenty with the "adjustable" bar that was actually the slider bar MG mount, even some with no grabrail of any sort...but none with that!
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Dec 2011 12:12

Hi all,

Well, the truth is that I did not expect such a long discussion about my first picture. 8O
After three pages we have not been able to reach a definitive conclusion!!

Here a new motorcycle to identify. I hope it will be easier :lol: I think DKW but I am not sure

Image from Ebay
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by phylo_roadking » 17 Dec 2011 17:46

Apart from the fact it's definitely a BSA G14, you mean?

This next one isn't the normal DKZ NZ 350; look at the left-hand engine sidecover, the one we can see down by the rider's foot - it's a bit "busy" compared to a "standard" Wehrmact NZ 350...

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...lots of extra bumps and covers. But the Instrument binnacle on top of the forks is distinctive...although the forks are equally NOT the normal NZ 350 items.

Instead, it's a DKZ SB 200...note the distinctive fork, not like the 350's, and the instument binnable, as well as the very distinctive big hex-headed cap above the clutch dome on the sidecover -

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They were built from 1936 to 1938, so I presume this is a "called-up" bike...
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Clive Mortimore » 18 Dec 2011 00:27

Hi phylo_roadking

I am not disputing your call of it being a DKW SB200, but I cannot readily tell a SB 200 from a 250, 300 or 500.
http://www.dkw-autounion.de/Motorradfot ... delle.html

What identifying features do use to distinguish the various models?

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by phylo_roadking » 18 Dec 2011 00:57

Hi Clive - actually since posting that I've been looking again and would yes, tend towards one of the larger SBs...either the 300 or the 350.

It's not the 500....for it from new seems to have had the "full plate" NZ-type forks; and it's not the militarised SB350....for if you look closely there's something - two somethings - missing from the front fork - specifically, the mounting posts for the tyre pump in that strange and very vulnerable position on the "military" versions. I know that's tenuous...but when you click on it, the original pic is quite large and detailed :wink:

What's now making me think therefore it's a 300 or 350 is -

1/ it's not the 500;

2/ It's got something the 300/350s have - that exaggerated front dome on the primary case cover over the front sprocket in there - makes me think there's a front sprocket-mounted transmission shock absorber in the bigger SBs...?

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As you can see here -

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...the 250 and smaller SBs don't have it.

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4/ the "military" DKW SB 350s didn't have that pretty lil instrument binnacle. They also had a more starkly abbreviated primary cover, not as curvy.
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Clive Mortimore » 18 Dec 2011 01:12

Hi phylo_roadking

Looking at the photos on the DKW site I have linked to, the 1938 SB 250 has the dome on the primary case cover but the cylinder looks smaller than the one in Strum's photo. I think you are correct with indentifying this machine as an impressed SB 300 or 350.

I see what you mean about the miliatry version with its "bike pump" on the front forks. Very odd.

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 24 Dec 2011 21:34

Nice thread... :D

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Jan 2012 10:33

Hi all,

Two images from Ebay

I think DKW SB500 motorcycles but I am not sure

Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by s.pak » 06 Jan 2012 17:17

Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

Well, the truth is that I did not expect such a long discussion about my first picture. 8O
After three pages we have not been able to reach a definitive conclusion!!
Hi Sturm,
Sorry for the delay but I had not seen the question.
I have a definitive conclusion !!! This is absolutely a BSA G 14 !!! and regarding the handle on the wheel of the side-car this is one ex-Dutch army motorcycle.
For info this photo is mine. 8-)

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by phylo_roadking » 06 Jan 2012 22:04

Sturm78, they do indeed look like SB500s, again they're both impressed civvies going by the little instrument binnacle.

The top one is interesting, seems to have a divisional or regimental emblem on the tank, and you can just see it's feet on the nose of the sidecar, so I presume the rest is on the top....and his boots - or heavy going - have worn the feldgrau paint off the chromed flywheel cover! :lol:
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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Jan 2012 16:55

Thank you for your help, phylo_roadking, Clive and s.pak

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 28 Mar 2012 07:13

What kind of motorcycle is this? Maybe BMW or Zundapp? Is there any sites which shows the list of motorcycles used by the Wehrmacht?

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Source: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&t=181521

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by SIS 5 » 28 Mar 2012 15:40

Hi Alif,

it is a BMW type R 12. Here a pic of such a motorcycle out of the book "Die BMW Kräder R 12 / R 75 im Zweiten Weltkrieg" by Janusz Piekalkiewicz. In the red circle You can see the emblem of BMW.

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by AlifRafikKhan » 29 Mar 2012 12:26

Thank you Bert... :)

Maybe the BMW symbol is faded on the first pic, that's why I couldn't see it...

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Re: Motorcycles of Wehrmacht

Post by peeved » 05 Apr 2012 15:43

MG sidecar from exp. eBay.de.

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