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Well, it's more fair to say it seems to have the standard Wehrmacht sidecar body...given that we can't see any part of the actual sidechar chassis!
Tho' there is one funny - the what looks to be a high and narrow round-topped grabrail at the sidecar passenger's right hand position. Looking through Hinrichsen again I haven't seen a single other grabrail like that - dozens of the lower, longer type that goes about a third of the way across, plenty with the "adjustable" bar that was actually the slider bar MG mount, even some with no grabrail of any sort...but none with that!

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Hi all,
Well, the truth is that I did not expect such a long discussion about my first picture.
After three pages we have not been able to reach a definitive conclusion!!
Here a new motorcycle to identify. I hope it will be easier
I think DKW but I am not sure
Image from Ebay
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
Well, the truth is that I did not expect such a long discussion about my first picture.

After three pages we have not been able to reach a definitive conclusion!!
Here a new motorcycle to identify. I hope it will be easier

Image from Ebay
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Apart from the fact it's definitely a BSA G14, you mean?
This next one isn't the normal DKZ NZ 350; look at the left-hand engine sidecover, the one we can see down by the rider's foot - it's a bit "busy" compared to a "standard" Wehrmact NZ 350...


...lots of extra bumps and covers. But the Instrument binnacle on top of the forks is distinctive...although the forks are equally NOT the normal NZ 350 items.
Instead, it's a DKZ SB 200...note the distinctive fork, not like the 350's, and the instument binnable, as well as the very distinctive big hex-headed cap above the clutch dome on the sidecover -

They were built from 1936 to 1938, so I presume this is a "called-up" bike...
This next one isn't the normal DKZ NZ 350; look at the left-hand engine sidecover, the one we can see down by the rider's foot - it's a bit "busy" compared to a "standard" Wehrmact NZ 350...


...lots of extra bumps and covers. But the Instrument binnacle on top of the forks is distinctive...although the forks are equally NOT the normal NZ 350 items.
Instead, it's a DKZ SB 200...note the distinctive fork, not like the 350's, and the instument binnable, as well as the very distinctive big hex-headed cap above the clutch dome on the sidecover -

They were built from 1936 to 1938, so I presume this is a "called-up" bike...
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Hi phylo_roadking
I am not disputing your call of it being a DKW SB200, but I cannot readily tell a SB 200 from a 250, 300 or 500.
http://www.dkw-autounion.de/Motorradfot ... delle.html
What identifying features do use to distinguish the various models?
Clive
I am not disputing your call of it being a DKW SB200, but I cannot readily tell a SB 200 from a 250, 300 or 500.
http://www.dkw-autounion.de/Motorradfot ... delle.html
What identifying features do use to distinguish the various models?
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Hi Clive - actually since posting that I've been looking again and would yes, tend towards one of the larger SBs...either the 300 or the 350.
It's not the 500....for it from new seems to have had the "full plate" NZ-type forks; and it's not the militarised SB350....for if you look closely there's something - two somethings - missing from the front fork - specifically, the mounting posts for the tyre pump in that strange and very vulnerable position on the "military" versions. I know that's tenuous...but when you click on it, the original pic is quite large and detailed
What's now making me think therefore it's a 300 or 350 is -
1/ it's not the 500;
2/ It's got something the 300/350s have - that exaggerated front dome on the primary case cover over the front sprocket in there - makes me think there's a front sprocket-mounted transmission shock absorber in the bigger SBs...?

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...the 250 and smaller SBs don't have it.
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4/ the "military" DKW SB 350s didn't have that pretty lil instrument binnacle. They also had a more starkly abbreviated primary cover, not as curvy.
It's not the 500....for it from new seems to have had the "full plate" NZ-type forks; and it's not the militarised SB350....for if you look closely there's something - two somethings - missing from the front fork - specifically, the mounting posts for the tyre pump in that strange and very vulnerable position on the "military" versions. I know that's tenuous...but when you click on it, the original pic is quite large and detailed

What's now making me think therefore it's a 300 or 350 is -
1/ it's not the 500;
2/ It's got something the 300/350s have - that exaggerated front dome on the primary case cover over the front sprocket in there - makes me think there's a front sprocket-mounted transmission shock absorber in the bigger SBs...?

As you can see here -

...the 250 and smaller SBs don't have it.
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4/ the "military" DKW SB 350s didn't have that pretty lil instrument binnacle. They also had a more starkly abbreviated primary cover, not as curvy.
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Hi phylo_roadking
Looking at the photos on the DKW site I have linked to, the 1938 SB 250 has the dome on the primary case cover but the cylinder looks smaller than the one in Strum's photo. I think you are correct with indentifying this machine as an impressed SB 300 or 350.
I see what you mean about the miliatry version with its "bike pump" on the front forks. Very odd.
Clive
Looking at the photos on the DKW site I have linked to, the 1938 SB 250 has the dome on the primary case cover but the cylinder looks smaller than the one in Strum's photo. I think you are correct with indentifying this machine as an impressed SB 300 or 350.
I see what you mean about the miliatry version with its "bike pump" on the front forks. Very odd.
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Nice thread... 

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Hi all,
Two images from Ebay
I think DKW SB500 motorcycles but I am not sure
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
Two images from Ebay
I think DKW SB500 motorcycles but I am not sure
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Hi Sturm,Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,
Well, the truth is that I did not expect such a long discussion about my first picture.![]()
After three pages we have not been able to reach a definitive conclusion!!
Sorry for the delay but I had not seen the question.
I have a definitive conclusion !!! This is absolutely a BSA G 14 !!! and regarding the handle on the wheel of the side-car this is one ex-Dutch army motorcycle.
For info this photo is mine.

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Sturm78, they do indeed look like SB500s, again they're both impressed civvies going by the little instrument binnacle.
The top one is interesting, seems to have a divisional or regimental emblem on the tank, and you can just see it's feet on the nose of the sidecar, so I presume the rest is on the top....and his boots - or heavy going - have worn the feldgrau paint off the chromed flywheel cover!
The top one is interesting, seems to have a divisional or regimental emblem on the tank, and you can just see it's feet on the nose of the sidecar, so I presume the rest is on the top....and his boots - or heavy going - have worn the feldgrau paint off the chromed flywheel cover!

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Thank you for your help, phylo_roadking, Clive and s.pak
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What kind of motorcycle is this? Maybe BMW or Zundapp? Is there any sites which shows the list of motorcycles used by the Wehrmacht?

Source: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&t=181521
Source: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&t=181521
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Hi Alif,
it is a BMW type R 12. Here a pic of such a motorcycle out of the book "Die BMW Kräder R 12 / R 75 im Zweiten Weltkrieg" by Janusz Piekalkiewicz. In the red circle You can see the emblem of BMW.
Regards
Bert
it is a BMW type R 12. Here a pic of such a motorcycle out of the book "Die BMW Kräder R 12 / R 75 im Zweiten Weltkrieg" by Janusz Piekalkiewicz. In the red circle You can see the emblem of BMW.
Regards
Bert
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Thank you Bert... 
Maybe the BMW symbol is faded on the first pic, that's why I couldn't see it...

Maybe the BMW symbol is faded on the first pic, that's why I couldn't see it...
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MG sidecar from exp. eBay.de.
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