► Photothread: British Vehicles in German Service
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Hi Sturm,
If you look at the form of the mudguards the side lamps and the strange shape and the position of the fuel tank I can be pretty sure. Some later BY3s had a more conventional fuel tank above the running board to the rear of the cab, but the high, almost square ended, tank with a cap, or possibly gauge, on the end is very Albion.
Cheers,
Kerry.
If you look at the form of the mudguards the side lamps and the strange shape and the position of the fuel tank I can be pretty sure. Some later BY3s had a more conventional fuel tank above the running board to the rear of the cab, but the high, almost square ended, tank with a cap, or possibly gauge, on the end is very Albion.
Cheers,
Kerry.
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Hello again,
I thought I had a photo of a BY1 with the same form of tank, but I cannot find it. Here though are examples of the mudguard and the alternative tank, also with a fuel gauge(?), wheel hubs etc. It is interesting also to note the tethering loop on the mudguard for the wires holding the canvas roof.
Cheers,
Kerry.
I thought I had a photo of a BY1 with the same form of tank, but I cannot find it. Here though are examples of the mudguard and the alternative tank, also with a fuel gauge(?), wheel hubs etc. It is interesting also to note the tethering loop on the mudguard for the wires holding the canvas roof.
Cheers,
Kerry.
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Hi guys,
The thing is Albion BY3 for sure, there are enough ID points to nail it.
Cheers!
The thing is Albion BY3 for sure, there are enough ID points to nail it.
Cheers!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."
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Hi ilfil,
Thank you for your confirmation. However, I would be uncomfortable with the id of BY3 as the photo is taken around the time of the Dunkirk evacuations, so May/June 1940( note the French or Belgian soldiers in and on the truck). The upgrade from BY1 to BY3, officially, was made when production of the BY3 began in June 1940. The major change between the models was the exchange of the 64hp four cylinder EN215 motor for the 80hp six cylinder EN278, plus some gearbox changes. Externally they remained much the same. I think that it is highly unlikely for this reason to be a BY3, which was produced between 1940 and 1941, before being replaced by the BY5 with the six cylinder EN280. Again, somewhat similar in external appearance to the BY3, although both BY3 and BY5 were produced with an optional enclosed cab and with full windscreens.
My money is on a BY1 for these reasons.
Cheers,
Kerry.
Thank you for your confirmation. However, I would be uncomfortable with the id of BY3 as the photo is taken around the time of the Dunkirk evacuations, so May/June 1940( note the French or Belgian soldiers in and on the truck). The upgrade from BY1 to BY3, officially, was made when production of the BY3 began in June 1940. The major change between the models was the exchange of the 64hp four cylinder EN215 motor for the 80hp six cylinder EN278, plus some gearbox changes. Externally they remained much the same. I think that it is highly unlikely for this reason to be a BY3, which was produced between 1940 and 1941, before being replaced by the BY5 with the six cylinder EN280. Again, somewhat similar in external appearance to the BY3, although both BY3 and BY5 were produced with an optional enclosed cab and with full windscreens.
My money is on a BY1 for these reasons.
Cheers,
Kerry.
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Hi Kerry anmd ilfil
The position of the fuel tank made me doubt. Albion BY, therefore
Sturm78
The position of the fuel tank made me doubt. Albion BY, therefore
Sturm78
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Well, let it be BY1 then, the fuel tank is where it must be for the early model. But why I can't see that typical for BY1s whole width "railing"?
Cheers!
Cheers!
"...and on the 8th day He made truck so that man, made on 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night."
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Hi ilfil,
The most obvious, if flippant, answer is you cannot see it because it isn't there. I do not know if the full width grab-bar was purpose-specific, but most photos show a short, single, bar in front of the driver. If you have Les Freathy or Jochen Vollert's superb Tankograd books you will see that all photos show this single type. In fact the model preceding the BY series, the Model 32, not only had the single bar, it also had no weather protection for the passenger, only the provision of a canvas blanket and a seat squab!
The complexity of the British "standardised" 3-ton range is sufficient to fill a book of it's own and I am just at the start of learning some of it's mysteries.
Regards,
Kerry.
The most obvious, if flippant, answer is you cannot see it because it isn't there. I do not know if the full width grab-bar was purpose-specific, but most photos show a short, single, bar in front of the driver. If you have Les Freathy or Jochen Vollert's superb Tankograd books you will see that all photos show this single type. In fact the model preceding the BY series, the Model 32, not only had the single bar, it also had no weather protection for the passenger, only the provision of a canvas blanket and a seat squab!
The complexity of the British "standardised" 3-ton range is sufficient to fill a book of it's own and I am just at the start of learning some of it's mysteries.
Regards,
Kerry.
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Again the model 32, unbridled driving luxury, courtesy of the British army, a gift to the Luftwaffe!
Kerry.
Kerry.
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Hi Kerry,
thank You very much for the details of the Albion trucks. Maybe You know these two pics with an Albion truck, when German soldiers are completing a field conversion with a hard cabin. Here You can see the high position of the fuel tank of the BY 1 I think .
Best regards
Bert
thank You very much for the details of the Albion trucks. Maybe You know these two pics with an Albion truck, when German soldiers are completing a field conversion with a hard cabin. Here You can see the high position of the fuel tank of the BY 1 I think .
Best regards
Bert
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Hi Sis 5,
Thank you, those are excellent photos and show the fuel tank perfectly. The British military were obviously not over concerned about the truck crew's comfort, the application of German logic made the crew far more weather-proof and, thus, able to work for far longer in poor weather. Later trucks addressed this problem, but pre-war comfort was not an issue, clearly.
Thanks again,
Kerry.
Thank you, those are excellent photos and show the fuel tank perfectly. The British military were obviously not over concerned about the truck crew's comfort, the application of German logic made the crew far more weather-proof and, thus, able to work for far longer in poor weather. Later trucks addressed this problem, but pre-war comfort was not an issue, clearly.
Thanks again,
Kerry.
Re: ► Photothread: British Vehicles in German Service
description "KG 51" Luftwaffe, Austin K3 and a Morris CDF
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Humber Snipe-civil?
some 3ton truck-described "Crossley"? Dont know.... I am really not good on these...
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