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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by kerryboo » 03 Sep 2014 16:01

Possibly a Ford, with the unusual, for a soft skin, addition of a Balkan cross.
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Post by Piotr Mikołajski » 09 Sep 2014 05:21

Truck seems to be Renault AHN. Photo made in 1943 or 1944?
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Post by peeved » 09 Sep 2014 08:37

Opel Maultier with MG ring (or just a spare wheel?), FCM 36 tractor & Krupp Protze radio vehic Umbau from exp. eBay.de. Auction N:os embedded in pic names.

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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by Piotr Mikołajski » 09 Sep 2014 10:11

peeved wrote:Opel Maultier with MG ring (or just a spare wheel?)
Spare wheel.
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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 09 Sep 2014 16:01

Piotr Mikołajski wrote:
peeved wrote:Opel Maultier with MG ring (or just a spare wheel?)
Spare wheel.

I'd like to think "especially since it is an ambulance" :D
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Post by SIS 5 » 09 Sep 2014 17:19

Hi,

here a pic with another Umbau; in this case a British Bedford modificated into a communication vehicle (house-type van).

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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by kerryboo » 09 Sep 2014 17:25

I had posted this on the old thread, but I thought that it was a natural "follow-on" to the super photo Bert has shared,
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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by peeved » 09 Sep 2014 20:01

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
Piotr Mikołajski wrote:
peeved wrote:Opel Maultier with MG ring (or just a spare wheel?)
Spare wheel.
I'd like to think "especially since it is an ambulance" :D
AFAIK the use of weapons for the defence of one self, the wounded or the sick is permitted for medical personnel. If that is the case I can't see why Red Cross vehicles shouldn't have a self-defence capability.

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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by Sean N » 09 Sep 2014 20:37

SIS 5 wrote:Hi,

here a pic with another Umbau; in this case a British Bedford modificated into a communication vehicle (house-type van).

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Bert
Hello Bert, great photo. OX ?

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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by Piotr Mikołajski » 10 Sep 2014 07:11

peeved wrote:AFAIK the use of weapons for the defence of one self, the wounded or the sick is permitted for medical personnel.
For personnel. There are no way to install weapons on vehicles, vessels, aicraft etc. marked with Red Cross. Even personnel can have just sidearm / small / personal weapons - pistols, rifles etc. but no machine guns or any other team weapons.
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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 10 Sep 2014 07:39

Markus, when the western allies started to capture "armed" German medics in Normandy they were quite shocked, none of "our" medics carried side arms even.
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Post by peeved » 10 Sep 2014 08:56

Piotr Mikołajski wrote:
peeved wrote:AFAIK the use of weapons for the defence of one self, the wounded or the sick is permitted for medical personnel.
For personnel. There are no way to install weapons on vehicles, vessels, aicraft etc. marked with Red Cross. Even personnel can have just sidearm / small / personal weapons - pistols, rifles etc. but no machine guns or any other team weapons.
The use of or mounting of offensive weapons on dedicated medical evacuation vehicles and aircraft jeopardizes the protections afforded by the Geneva Conventions. These offensive weapons can include, but are not limited to: machine guns, grenade launchers, hand grenades,or anti-tank weapons.
http://books.google.fi/books?id=hE_ILiF ... 22&f=false
Guess that makes the use of or mounting of defensive weapons allowable. But what would those be?

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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by peeved » 10 Sep 2014 08:59

Alanmccoubrey wrote:Markus, when the western allies started to capture "armed" German medics in Normandy they were quite shocked, none of "our" medics carried side arms even.
AFAIK a side arm was normal for German medics but have seen photos of men with medic pouches who have decided to don a SMG and ditch the aiming mark armband; Eastern Front experience?

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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by peeved » 10 Sep 2014 09:06

For token topical content,

Hard cab Bedfords from exp. eBay.de at http://www.ebay.de/itm/151118981361?ru= ... 26_rdc%3D1 and N:o 221238058242.

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Re: Umbauwagen

Post by Piotr Mikołajski » 10 Sep 2014 21:06

peeved wrote:Guess that makes the use of or mounting of defensive weapons allowable. But what would those be?
Well, I looked to the Red Cross and Geneva Convention, not to the books about modern combat medicine. Both sources mention personnel weapons, not AA armament.

TBH I don't remember dedicated German medical vehicle with armament.
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