► Marder I

[derka]

i didn't consider this explaination about maps dsignation before.
i checked ans saw tactical signs with a "normal thicker" vertical line wich obviously designated Kp level, as they are associated with "St" for instance : Stab is only for this Kp level.



so you are certainly right.
derka

[peeved]

Marder Is from eBay.de repro auctions.

Markus

[Manuferey]

On the right of this picture from the Imperial War Museum (IWM) dated July 19, 1944, a destroyed 7,5 cm Pak 40/1 auf S.307(f) of the 21. Pz.Div. The caption identifies the vehicle on the left as a "Humber armoured car".


http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205206078
© IWM (B 7685)

And a close-up view of the destroyed half-track with the 7.5 cm Pak 40 gun clearly visible:



Emmanuel

I found some more pictures of this destroyed vehicle (http://france135.positifforum.com/t248p ... kit-resine). We can now see its Nr 811 and WH plate.

http://france135.positifforum.com/viewi ... arIWMH.jpg

And from the front and side:
http://france135.positifforum.com/viewi ... tre1-1.jpg
http://france135.positifforum.com/viewi ... titre2.jpg
http://france135.positifforum.com/viewi ... tre3-1.jpg
and


Emmanuel

[peeved]

Marder from exp. eBay.de.

Markus

[carius]

Pzj line and Marder

George

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I am not sure: 7.5cm PaK40/1 auf Geschuetzwagen Lorraine Schlepper (f) or 10.5cm leFH18(Sf) auf Geschuetzwagen Lorraine Schlepper (f).

Image from EBay
Sturm78

[Alanmccoubrey]

Sturm, that is the 105mm version, you can see the two major differences, the shape of the superstructure (yes I know that the first 12 or so of the 105 mm used the same superstructure are the Pak 40) and the recoil cyclinder above the barrel.

[Sturm78]

Thank you, Alanmccoubrey

Sturm78

[Hauptmann Holston]

"Tanks" for the replies. Here is some I have not seen on this thread. Hope it's ok to post, taken from http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com .....originally from Bundesarchiv.

[Manuferey]

The two pictures of Marder I Auf Lorraine schlepper posted by Holston above are part of a large Bundesarchiv picture series. These Marder I have been identified as belonging to 346. ID and the location as Bolbec (east of Le Havre, France) in Panzer Voran.
See also here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=173489



Emmanuel

[tigre]

Hello to all ; more..............................

The Panzerjäger I in action. The 4,7 cm PaK(t) auf Panzerkampfwagen 35R(f) ohne Turm.

Some 843 R35s fell into German hands. A considerable number, 174 according to some sources, were converted into a 47 mm tank destroyer to replace the Panzerjäger I: the 4,7 cm PaK(t) auf Panzerkampfwagen 35R(f) ohne Turm. The vehicles were converted by Alkett between May to October 1941 to try and make an equivalent vehicle to the Panzerjäger I. The result was not as successful mainly due to the slow speed of the R 35 and the overloaded chassis. A few were deployed in Operation Barbarossa, most were deployed in occupied territories.

At the beginning of "Operation Barbarossa" on June 22, 1941, the Panzerjäger (Sfl) 4.7cm Pak (t) auf Pz Kw 35R (f) were distributed as follows:

Pz Jäg Abt 559: LVI AK (Mot) Army Group "North"

Pz Jäg Abt 561: IX. AK Army Group "Center"

Pz Jäg Abt 611: XXXXVII AK (Mot) of Army Group "Center"

On July 3, 1941, was received the order to fit out again all of them with German guns of 3.7 cm Pak.

According to the report prepared by the General Staff of the XXXXVII AK (Mot) of July 5, 1941, the commander of the Pz Jäg Abt 611, reported that the French chassis were completely out of service, and this already in the first days of the campaign due to technical failures.

Source: http://wolfenkrieger.deviantart.com/art ... -291675752
http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/index ... -cm-Pak-t/
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Beute-Panze ... rmvSB=true

Cheers. Raúl M .

[Manuferey]

A German document from November 1941 about western "beutepanzer" indicates that about "90 Renault 35 mit 4,7 cm Pak(t)" were to rearm Pz Jäg Abt 559, 561 and 611 between the fall of 1941 and the beginning of 1942.

In June 21, 1941, Pz.Jg.Abt. 563 was planned to be rearmed with the "4,7 cm Pak SFL.(R35)" according to a "Kriegsgliederung des Feldheeres". It does not seem to have happened.

Emmanuel

[tigre]

Hello to all ; thanks Emmanuel . More..............................

The Panzerjäger I in action. The 4,7 cm PaK(t) auf Panzerkampfwagen 35R(f) ohne Turm.

The 4.7 cm PaK (t) auf Panzerkampfwagen 35R (f) ohne Turm in action during the first steps of Operation Barbarossa - Summer 1941.

Source: http://www.ebay.de/itm/HAMMER-Ungarn-Pa ... 2006251773
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HAMMER-Ungarn-Pa ... 1648387215

Cheers. Raúl M .

[tigre]

Hello to all ; something more................

Moving by rail - Eastern Front.

Source: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Panzer-Panz ... 0951389419

Cheers. Raúl M .

[Luftflotte2]

source: ebay.de