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Post by David Lehmann » 16 Nov 2003 19:19

Great pics ! :)

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Post by webmastersignal » 16 Nov 2003 19:56

Geschützwagen 39 (f) : FH 18 on H39 Hotchkiss base modified
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Post by webmastersignal » 16 Nov 2003 19:57

another view of the same H39
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Post by webmastersignal » 16 Nov 2003 20:00

Geschützwagen lorraine Schlepper (f) : sFH 13 150 mm of PZ.Art.Rgt 155, 21 PZD
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Post by webmastersignal » 16 Nov 2003 20:02

Marder I on Lorraine Schlepper base on the east front
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Post by David Lehmann » 17 Nov 2003 14:42

There were also 12 Lorraine Schlepper with a 10.5cm gun and 1 with a 12.2cm ... Does someone have them on a photo ?
The only chassis armed with the 10.5cm that I saw on photo are the Hotchkiss ones.

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Post by webmastersignal » 17 Nov 2003 16:52

Hotchkiss in Normandy
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Post by Paul Lakowski » 17 Nov 2003 17:03

webmastersignal wrote:Hotchkiss in Normandy


Boy that sure gives you an idea of how small these buggers were....awfully cramped in that turret even for one man!

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Post by David Lehmann » 17 Nov 2003 17:07

That's why they were so liked by the Germans in montaneous areas like in the Balkans because they could provide close fire support to the infantry whereas the German tanks were generally too large to use the small trails/roads :)

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Post by webmastersignal » 17 Nov 2003 18:16

Somua S35 in mountain area may be Yougoslavia
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Post by Paul Lakowski » 18 Nov 2003 01:50

Panzermeyer wrote:That's why they were so liked by the Germans in montaneous areas like in the Balkans because they could provide close fire support to the infantry whereas the German tanks were generally too large to use the small trails/roads :)

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Thanks I hadn't considered that! Sounds like the Canadian LEO-1C2 in Bosnia/ Kosovo....they were the only tanks that could negotiate the mountain roads . The M-1s and Challengers were useless.

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Post by David Lehmann » 18 Nov 2003 02:35

Yes, comparing grossly the width in meters of different tanks :

Hotchkiss H-38/39 : 1.95
Somua S-35 : 2.12
B1bis : 2.50 (but mainly use in the flamethrower version or Geschütwagen version against Russian strongpoints in 1941)

PzI : 2.00
PzII : 2.02 - 2.21 (Luchs)
PzIII and StuGIIIG : 2.95
PzIVG : 2.88 w/o Schürtzen and 3.33 with them
Panther G : 3.40

For example comparing a Hotchkiss and a PzIII you win 1 meter, that can make the difference on a tight mountain road I guess. Remember also that even these light French tanks were more armored than the german medium tanks in 1940. And for example in Syria in 1941, the British were facing Vichy Renault R-35 and had no AT guns to defeat their armor. Facing for example partisans with only AT rifles and small AT guns they weren't that much in danger compared to some armored cars for example.

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Post by webmastersignal » 18 Nov 2003 11:40

Hello
A pics of Renault UE : german help the french farmer.
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Post by webmastersignal » 18 Nov 2003 14:53

R35 on balkan
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Post by David Lehmann » 18 Nov 2003 15:01

Very nice photo, with a French AMX "trench crossing tail" added on this model. Any idea of the unit to which the tank belongs ?

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