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Post by David Lehmann » 10 Dec 2003 01:29

Hello Bob,

No the magazine presents only quickly the different versions, it's only a modelling magazine, but it gives plans for most of them.
In fact after June 1940 several thousands Renault UE(f) were used by the German army and could be present in all kind of units ... Heer, Waffen SS, Luftwaffe ... The 21.PzD in 1944 was very largely equiped with French equipment or French converted equipment. I have just ordered several books about French "Beute" equipments, vehicles, tanks etc. and perhaps I will be soon able to give you more details about units.

The different Renault UE(f) versions are :

- Gepanzerte Volketenschlepper Renault UE(f) (2 models)
- Gepanzerte Munitionsschlepper Renault UE(f)
- Mannschaftstransportwagen Renault UE(f) (2 models)
- Fernmeldekabel Kraftwagen Renault UE(f)
- Kleiner Funk und Beobachtungspanzer UE(f) (40 pieces accompagnying the 10.5cm and 15.0cm SPA on Hotchkiss or Lorraine chassis in the 21.PzD)
- Gepanzerte-MG-Träger Renault UE(f)
- Sicherungsfahrzeug Renault UE(f) (3 models)
- Selbstfahrlafette für 3.7cm Pak36 auf Renault UE(f) (700 pieces)
- Selbsfahrlafette fûr 28/32cm Würfrahmen auf Renault UE(f) (2 models, 40 pieces)
- Panzerkampfwagen Attrape auf Renault UE(f) (transformed and enlengthed to look like a T34 ... for instruction probably)
- Schneeschleuder auf Renault UE(f)
- Schneefräser auf Renault UE(f) (50 pieces)

For the last 3 ones there is no plan.

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David

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Post by David Lehmann » 10 Dec 2003 02:43

If you feel interested in the Somua S-35 I have just received this small monography :

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/minitracks/trackstory.htm

It's bilingual (French/English), you can order if you are interested in.
It's a nice little booklet and there is a part about the Somuas used by the Germans ... several units using them are listed.

David

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Post by Bob_Mackenzie » 11 Dec 2003 01:10

Dear David

Thanks for the replies

the:

Kleiner Funk und Beobachtungspanzer UE(f) (40 pieces accompagnying the 10.5cm and 15.0cm SPA on Hotchkiss or Lorraine chassis in the 21.PzD)

Sounds interesting - do you have a picture?

Cheers

Bob

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Post by David Lehmann » 11 Dec 2003 01:44

Hello Bob,

No sorry, for the moment, for this vehicle, I have only a plan from the same article, but I am waiting for several books, in which I will perhaps find new photos.

The Kleiner Funk und Beobachtungspanzer UE(f) has a casemate protecting a radio and an observer with an observation/targetting scope.

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David
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Post by Bob_Mackenzie » 12 Dec 2003 00:51

Panzermeyer wrote:Hello Bob,

No sorry, for the moment, for this vehicle, I have only a plan
David


Dear David

The plan is just what I wanted - thanks

Bob

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Post by webmastersignal » 12 Dec 2003 09:03

an other conversion of renault UE here :
http://panzermodelkit.valka.cz/renault.htm

I have the Heimdal book of the 21 Pz history, but sorry nothing find to report at renault Beobachtungspanzer UE(f)

Olivier

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Post by David Lehmann » 12 Dec 2003 09:14

Yes I also saw the plans of this strange security vehicle with 2 MGs, one in a casemate and an other in the turret behind :)

David

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Post by webmastersignal » 13 Dec 2003 11:50

Eureka i find it :))))))))))
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Post by David Lehmann » 13 Dec 2003 12:08

Nice finding indeed !!! :)

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Post by David Lehmann » 17 Dec 2003 15:31

Photo of a Somua S35 with Zimmerit, originally posted by Javichu in the thread : http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=38220


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Post by Jack Nisley » 17 Dec 2003 17:17

Help please:

Somewhere in the forum were posted the actual numbers and types of AFVs in 21st Panzer Div and 100th Panzer (Replacement?) Battalion on D-Day. Can anyone steer me to the correct post? I can't find it.

Does anyone have the same type of info on 206th Panzer (Replacement?) Battaltion and the SP Anti-Tank Company of the 709th Infantry Div?

Thanks

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Post by David Lehmann » 17 Dec 2003 17:31

Hello Jack,

You were probably thinking at that thread :
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... t=normandy

look also here :

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thr ... =997159954

David

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Post by Jack Nisley » 17 Dec 2003 22:17

David,

Thank you very much, that's exactly what I was looking for!

Jack Nisley

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Post by David Lehmann » 20 Dec 2003 15:58

Panhard P-178 - PSW-204(f) - in Russia. Images from British Pathé, links given by Stéphane Paccot on ML forum :

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Photos 1 and 2 show a standard model, photo 3 shows a FU version and the 2 last photos show a turretless command Panhard.
The side-car has the 7.PzD insignia.

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David

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Post by David Lehmann » 09 Jan 2004 14:00

Several French MGs used by German troops :

Saint-Etienne 8mm Mle1907 - German : sMG 256(f) -
Type : Medium machinegun (air cooled)
Total length : 1180 mm
Weight (empty) : 23.8 kg with tripod
Barrell Length : 800 mm
Caliber : 8x50R mm
Magazine : 24 or 30 rounds metal trays or 251 rounds flexible belts
Rate of fire : 600 rpm
V° : 700 m/s

Hotchkiss 8mm Mle1914 - German : sMG 257(f) -
Type : Medium machinegun (air cooled)
Total length : 1310 mm
Weight (empty) : 24 kg with tripod
Barrell Length : 785 mm
Caliber : 8x50R mm
Magazine : 24 or 30 rounds metal trays or 251 rounds flexible belts
Rate of fire : 500 rpm
V° : 700 m/s

The FT-17/18 tank on the photo is simply used as a small bunker.
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