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Post by Rommel8 » 04 Mar 2004 18:36

Here ya go...

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Post by Rommel8 » 04 Mar 2004 18:37

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Post by David Lehmann » 05 Mar 2004 22:34

A German Renault D2 tank ... this would be the first time I see a D2 under the German flag :

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Post by David Lehmann » 07 Mar 2004 22:30

French Hotchkiss Mle1914 MG used by Germans on ebay :

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... gory=15504

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Post by David Lehmann » 07 Mar 2004 22:48

Somua S35 - Pripet marshes

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Post by David Lehmann » 08 Mar 2004 00:50

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A Renault truck (AHS or AHN) from the 3. Panzergrenadier Division. Behind it is probably a Henschel truck.

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A Matford F917, probably previously in the French army.
Matford arised from the fusion between the Ford and the French company Mathis based in Strasbourg (Alsace). There was a Matford factory in Poissy in France. About 1000 Matford trucks were delivered to the French army.

From http://www.3pgd.org/


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A Renault AHS from the Wehrmacht

From http://www.autogallery.org.ru

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Post by Trommelfeuer » 08 Mar 2004 13:56

Captured Hotchkiss H39 in Anti Partisan warfare.
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Captured Hotchkiss H39 from the composition of tank battalion SS "Prinz Eugen".
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source: achtungpanzer.bos.ru - captured Allied equipment in Axis service - gallery ( many photos )

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Post by David Lehmann » 08 Mar 2004 15:07

Thanks Sven, webmastersignal already posted these two. On the first one they made a mistake in the caption, it is certainly not a B2(f) but more likely a Hotchkiss H39 like on the second photo.

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Post by Trommelfeuer » 08 Mar 2004 19:28

Oh, sorry for the double-posting of the images !
I cannot find these two photos here, did webmastersignal's images dissapear from this thread.. ?
( Or do I have to visit my eye-doctor again ? )

By the way, is this a 7,5cm Pak40 (Sf) auf mSPW S307(f) ?
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source: achtungpanzer.bos.ru - captured Allied equipment in Axis service - gallery ( 67 photos )


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Post by David Lehmann » 08 Mar 2004 21:54

A new point about the French industries mobilized by the German occupant. Just before Barbarossa, 88 infantry divisions, 3 motorized infantry divisions and 1 Panzerdivision were largely equiped with French vehicles. Beside the booty vehicles, there were newly produced trucks. The main companies (Renault, Peugeot, Citroën, Panhard, Berliet and Saurer etc.) produced about 90000 new trucks for the German army between 1941 and 1944. Especially for the eastern front 200 French tanks were also converted to Mörserzugmittel / Artillerie-Schlepper and others to Bergepanzer or various tractors.

• Berliet :
Various Berliet trucks were used by the German army (DGRA, GDC, GDM, VDCA etc.) and about 30 Berliet tank carriers were used by the Wehrmacht.
During 1943-1944 for example, 1262 trucks (5t) were produced for the German army.

• Bernard :
A few Bernard trucks (fuel tank trucks etc.) were used by the German army.

• Citroën :
Many booty cars, trucks and halftracks (Citroën Kégresse P14, P17, P19) were captured and used by the Germans. The Citroën-Kégresse P19 = Ci380(f) can for example be found in the Schnelle Brigade West. Many other vehicles were produced for the Germans between 1941 and 1944 like for example :
- 3700 type 23 trucks
- 6000 type 32U trucks
- 15300 type 45 trucks (the majority of the trucks of Schnelle Brigade West)

• Delahaye :
About 1000 SdKfz-11 were produced for the Germans (ordered in 1942).
The Delahaye factory also produced spare parts for the Büssing-NAG 4500.

• ELMAG (in Mulhouse, Alsace) :
Production of 1143 SdKfz-8 halftracks and spare parts for German halftracks between 1942 and 1944.

• Ford :
At the beginning of WW2, the French Ford factories located at Poissy and Asnières were controlled by the Laffly company. They transformed 1000 Ford trucks in halftracked trucks (Maultier) and produced spare parts for the Ford trucks captured in Europe.

• Gnôme-Rhône :
Gnôme-Rhône in Gennevilliers (nowadays SNECMA) produced German engines for planes like the Henschel 129.
Gnôme-Rhône motorcycles and side-cars were also used by the Germans.

• Hotchkiss :
During the occupation, Hotchkiss produced spare parts, engines and several chassis for the Germans from 1940 to 1944 . Some Laffly vehicles (R15R, S20TL, W15T etc.) and several Hotchkiss personnal cars (PKW Typ680, 686 and 686 PNA) were also produced for the Germans.

• Isobloc :
Numerous buses had been produced for the French army. Several W843M medical buses were used by the Germans. They could carry 30 lying wounded soldiers or a whole mobile chirurgical antenna.

• Laffly :
Many Laffly V15R, S15R, S20TL, W15T etc. were captured and used by the Germans.
A small number of armored SPW based on the W15T were produced for the Schnelle Brigade West.
In 1942, 60 Renault R-40 tanks were transformed for snow milling. 119 Renault R-40 were modified for the Luftwaffe (towing vehicles ?) and 200 various German tracked vehicles were also modified for the Luftwaffe by the Laffly factory. Laffly transformed also 22 wheeled and 33 tracked vehicles in snowploughs.

• Latil :
Many Latil trucks and utility vehicles had been captured by the Wehrmacht. Some of the heavier trucks (Latil TAR H2) were again produced for the German forces.

• Lorraine :
Many Lorraine 37L and 38L were captured and used or modified by the Germans. The Lorraine factory also produced 500 SdKfz-9 in 1942.

• Matford (in Strasbourg, Alsace) :
Matford was born from the fusion between Ford and the French Mathis company. A few trucks were produced but mainly spare parts for the French booty Matford trucks like the Matford F917.

• Panhard & Levassor :
About 2000 Panhard trucks were delivered to the Germans army and about 1000 couples of tracks for the SdKfz-7 have been produced.

• Peugeot :
The factory is controlled by KDFWagen (future Volkswagen).
Many cars (Peugeot 202 and 402) and light trucks (Peugeot DMA, DK etc.) were captured and used but also produced. Between 1941 and 1944 Peugeot delivered to the Germans :
- 12500 Peugeot DK5
- 15300 Peugeot DMA
- about 15000 Peugeot 202 and 402
That make about 28000 trucks delivered to the Germans.
The factory produced also spare parts for the Kübelwagen and a few Volkswagen type 82 and 166 were completed. 150 SdKfz-10 per month were also planned to be produced in 1942 but the delivered number is unknown.

• Renault :
For Renault, most of the archives have disappeared during the allied bombings of 1944 but in François Vauvillier's book "l'automobile sous l'uniforme" it is indicated that about 28000 Renault trucks had been produced for the Germans during the occupation (AHS, AHN, AHR, AGC, ADK, ADH etc.). The Renault factories were administrated by Prinz Von Urach (who will later be the press attaché of Daimler-Benz after WW2). About 23000 Renault AHS trucks were used by the Germans (booty and new produced ones).
For example, from 1941 to 1944, 4000 Renault AHN and 2000 Renault AHR had been produced for the German army. In 1943, 704 AGC3 were deliverd.
Renault produced also spare parts for the SdKfz-7 and SdKfz-11.

• Saurer :
Several trucks were still produced for the Germans, especially the Saurer type 3CT which was liked. For exemple between 1943 and 1944 some 1800 3CT trucks were delivered to the Germans.

• Simca :
Simca produced personnal cars for the German/Italian Army
1941/1942: 5983 Simca 5 (aka Fiat 500 Topolino) and 3960 Simca 8 (aka Fiat 1100)
1943: 122 Simca 8 and 19 Simca 5
1944: 180 Simca 8 and 23 Simca 5

Simca was intended to produce 2500 SdKfz-2 Kettenkraftrad but there seem not to have been produced. Tracks for the SdKfz-7, SdKfz-10 and SdKfz-11 were also produced.

• Somua :
Beside the Somua S-35 tanks, many MCL named S303(f) and MCG named S307(f) halftracks were captured. Many of these halfracks have been armored.

• Talbot :
From 1941 to 1944, Talbot produced tracks for the SdKfz-7, SdKfz-10 and SdKfz-11, braces for the Büssing-NAG S4500 and complete steerings for the Panzer 38(t).

• Trippel :
The factory was located at Molsheim (Alsace) in the former Bugatti factory. They produced the Trippel SG6 amphibious car.

• Unic :
About 200 Unic TU1 U305(f) and 3000 Unic P107 U304(f) were used by the German army.

• Willeme :
A few Willeme type DU10 (10t) heavy trucks were used by the German army.

Regards,

David

Sources :
"L'automobile sous l'uniforme" (François Vauvilliers)
"Captured French Tanks under the German Flag" by Werner Regenberg and Horst Scheibert (Schiffer)
"Captured Armored Cars and Vehicles in Wehrmacht Service in World War II" by Werner Regenberg (Schiffer)
"Captured Weapons and Equipment of the German Wehrmacht 1938-1945" by Wolfgang Fleischer (Schiffer)
" Beute-Kraftfahrzeuge und -Panzer der deutschen Wehrmacht" by Walter J. Spielberger (Motorbuch Verlag)
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Post by David Lehmann » 08 Mar 2004 21:55

Sorry Sven, if really they aren't in the thread he had probably posted them privately to me and therefore I thought there were already there. Sorry for the mistake.

Yes it is a Pak40 auf Somua, here is an other one from Spielberger's book :
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Post by David Lehmann » 09 Mar 2004 00:15

An other interesting photo :

second line : Renault UE(f)
first line, beginning from the background you can see 10.5cm SPAs auf Lorraine, one Beobachtungspanzer UE(f) and finally one Lorraine 38L.
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Post by David Lehmann » 09 Mar 2004 00:20

A leSPW U304(f), a 10t Willeme truck and a Renault UE(f) Sicherungsfahrzeug also from Spielberger's book. The Armored SPW Unic 107 seems very high but in fact only 20cm higher than a SdKfz-251/1.
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Post by Rommel8 » 09 Mar 2004 01:23

S-35 on Train (being shipped back to germany in 1940?)
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Captured R-35(meyer?) in Russia
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Post by David Lehmann » 09 Mar 2004 01:26

:P you are currently sending files from the server where I stored the first one for the initial text+photo article on page 1 of the thread, I needed a server to resize and store some photos in order to begin the thread here :) These photos as well as the previous PSW204(f) are already on page 1 of the thread.

Just other few photos for the medical stuff lovers. Also from Spielberger's book. I just discovered it, this 324pp big book is very interesting if you read German.

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