► Photothread: French Equipment in German Service

[M J C]

Hello.
Some pictures from 'Steel Master' of French vehicle in German service.
Patrice.

Patrice
Hi the bottom photo with the 7.5cm Pak is a nice one, but I really meant this type of UE with truck type of body. (see attached chenillette_02 photo)
Just to keep the thread going here a few more photos of the standard UE in German use
Best wishes

Mark

[Franzl Rider]

Here an other Renault UE in German service. From magazine "Military Machines, june 2005".
Franzl

[Franzl Rider]

From Ebay a Panhard commandcar
Franzl

[David Lehmann]

Hello Mark,

Your last photo shows a Renault 36R, it is not a Renault UE with a cab. It shares indeed several parts with the Renault UE but is a different vehicle. The Renault UE is a supply tractor for the French infantry and the Renault 36R (ACD1) is a supply tractor for the tanks. I will have a look but I don't remember having seen a photo of the 36R in German service. They used rather the other tank unit supply tractot, the Lorraine 37L, which was far better.

Here I completed a bit what I had written before.

RENAULT 36R TRC (tracteur de ravitaillement de chars = tanks supply tractor)
The Renault ACD1 designed in the French army as Renault 36R was a tank unit supply tractor. It shared common elements with the Renault UE tractor (wheels and suspension elements, engine). It was adopted in 1936 and the production started in 1938. 260 vehicles had been delivered in 1940. It was seen as very inferior to the Lorraine 37L TRC, which was also an armored tractor. The tractor carried ammunition for the tanks (live load 822 kg) and towed a tracked trailer with a 450 liters fuel tank, 18 oil cans, 8 grease boxes, a pump and tools (live load 600 kg).
Weight : 2.7t (live load 1.4 t).
Length : 3.15m
Width : 1.70m
Height : 1.90m
Crew : 2 men
Maximum speed : 35 km/h (Renault engine, 4 cylinders, 38 hp at 2500 rpm, 2120 cm3), 28 km/h with maximum loasd and with the trailer.
Transmission : 4 forward, 1 reverse

LORRAINE 37L TRC (tracteur de ravitaillement de chars = tanks supply tractor)
The Lorraine 37L TRC was a tank unit supply carrier. It towed generally a tracked trailer with a 565 liters fuel tank, grease boxes, water, tools and a pump. The tractor itself carried ammunitions and various supplies. 482 vehicles were delivered to the French army from 1937 to June 1940. The tractor was appreciated for his cross country capacities and its armored protection.
Weight : 5.24t for the tractor + 1.2t for the trailer (live load 0.81t + 0.69t = 1.5t)
Length : 4.20m (+ 2.70m for the trailer)
Height : 1.21m (1.30m for the trailer)
Crew : 2 men
Maximum speed : 35 km/h (Delahaye engine, 6 cylinders, 70 hp, 3550 cm3)
Transmission : 5 forward, 1 reverse
Autonomy : 135 km

Regards,

David

Here is an other photo of this tractor but in French service :
source for the photo "Juin 1940 - le mois maudit" by Roger Bruge
also seen in "L'automobile sous l'uniforme" by F. Vauvillier which contains the technical data.

[M J C]

David
Sorry yes of course, thanks for the correction, but I must admit I always think of them as UE's! But of course you right, and I should use the correct designation.

[quote="David Lehmann"]Hello Mark,

Your last photo shows a Renault 36R, it is not a Renault UE with a cab. It shares indeed several parts with the Renault UE but is a different vehicle. The Renault UE is a supply tractor for the French infantry and the Renault 36R (ACD1) is a supply tractor for the tanks. I will have a look but I don't remember having seen a photo of the 36R in German service. They used rather the other tank unit supply tractot, the Lorraine 37L, which was far better.


Regards,

David

[M J C]

Here an other Renault UE in German service. From magazine "Military Machines, june 2005".
Franzl

Franzl
I have the original of this photo as I wrote the article, it is towing a 3.7mm Pak behind the trailer, but the editor chopped it off when he put in the magazine!

Regards Mark

[Trommelfeuer]

I've posted three photos of a UE Schlepper in Luftwaffe service here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&start=75

[M J C]

This photo just sold on e bay for 90 plus Euros!

[Sander D]

From e-bay

Sander

[Sander D]

2 more of the same vehicle.

Cheers

Sander

[Bill Murray]

Well, I am going to cheat just a bit here. According to the caption on the original photo it was taken in Paris 1945. It is a 1937/8 US Oldsmobile sedan and quite rare at that.
Bill

[David Lehmann]

Ok, since it is in Paris, you will not be punished for displaying a non-French vehicle in this thread.
Your only punition for cheating will be to show us more interesting photos like that

Regards,

David

[Bill Murray]

David:
I am such an idiot and you fell for my mistake as well.
Read the caption, which I forgot to do, and it plainly states it was taken in Aachen, not Paris.
What we call in American English, a "Brain Fart".
In any case, a rare vehicle in Europe, in very good condition for 1945 and I will not apologize more

Bill

[Bill Murray]

David:
Just to keep you interested, here is a catalogue page of Citroen Model 23 from Holland or Belgium which shows civilian models but is very helpful for identifying beute vehicles. I have maybe 20 or so of these.
Cheers
Bill

[David Lehmann]

Thanks Bill,

I was not aware of so many civilian versions of the Citroen 23.

Regards,

David