That shot is one I posted on Missing Links a few months back. It was taken in the Haguenau forest and the vehicle belongs to, most probably 21.PD. though 25. PGD is another possible user. This and another shot are in Tom Jentz's Panzertruppen II and this and a third shot are in Tom Cockles Concord book Panzers in the Ardennes Offensive.
HTH - Andrew
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Andrew Hall
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Hello!
The PzKpfw IV with the track extensions on the bottom of Page 4 actually has Winterketten and not Ostketten tracks. This looks like the 'ole Winterketten and Ostketten confusion again, eh? Well here is some help to tell the two apart:
Winterketten
Winterketten were developed in 1942 for use in winter conditions on the Eastern Front. These were basically a normal track with track extensions that protruded from the ends of the tracks. These are recognizable by the long triangular extensions. These were usually found on the PzKpfw III, PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be seen on Hummel, Hornisse and other vehicles.
Ostketten
Ostketten were developed in 1944 for use in the muddy conditions in the Spring and Autumn on the Eastern Front, the Rasputitsa. These were basically a wider track than the usual track which was fitted. There were no triangular extensions, just a wider track. These were for use usually on the PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be found on other vehicles. When seen on the PzKpfw IV it looks like a PzKpfw V Panther track on a PzKpfw IV.
I hope this helps!
Cheers,
Wolfkin
The PzKpfw IV with the track extensions on the bottom of Page 4 actually has Winterketten and not Ostketten tracks. This looks like the 'ole Winterketten and Ostketten confusion again, eh? Well here is some help to tell the two apart:
Winterketten
Winterketten were developed in 1942 for use in winter conditions on the Eastern Front. These were basically a normal track with track extensions that protruded from the ends of the tracks. These are recognizable by the long triangular extensions. These were usually found on the PzKpfw III, PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be seen on Hummel, Hornisse and other vehicles.
Ostketten
Ostketten were developed in 1944 for use in the muddy conditions in the Spring and Autumn on the Eastern Front, the Rasputitsa. These were basically a wider track than the usual track which was fitted. There were no triangular extensions, just a wider track. These were for use usually on the PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be found on other vehicles. When seen on the PzKpfw IV it looks like a PzKpfw V Panther track on a PzKpfw IV.
I hope this helps!
Cheers,
Wolfkin
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Reader3000
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panzer photos
thanks for sharing 8)