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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by ilfil » 15 Nov 2016, 22:54

kerryboo wrote:Hi Sturm78,
Pretty sure that it is a Canadian Chevrolet, or possibly Ford, "Quad" 4x4 FAT or CGT artillery tractor. It is the early model.
Kerry.
Hi Kerry and Sturm,
I wonder how did I miss it? :oops:
Definitely CMP Chevrolet (Model 8440 4x4 C-GT,) Field Artillery (FAT), not that early model because it is cab No. 12 with body 7A2 (on which the central part of the roof is replaced with canvas cover, i.e. the second and the last of those integral FAT bodies)
HTH
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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by Sturm78 » 16 Nov 2016, 21:35

kerryboo wrote
Pretty sure that it is a Canadian Chevrolet, or possibly Ford, "Quad" 4x4 FAT or CGT artillery tractor. It is the early model.
ilfil wrote
I wonder how did I miss it? :oops:
Definitely CMP Chevrolet (Model 8440 4x4 C-GT,) Field Artillery (FAT), not that early model because it is cab No. 12 with body 7A2 (on which the central part of the roof is replaced with canvas cover, i.e. the second and the last of those integral FAT bodies)
Thanks a lot for your help, Kerry and HTH

Here, another image from Ebay. I am not sure: Crossley ?? :?

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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by ilfil » 16 Nov 2016, 23:40

Hi Sturm,
Those WD 6x4 3-tonners of 30s are hard for ID, for they all are very similar, but here I'll vote for Albion BY3 or BY5 (the difference is only in the engine anyway). They were produced with two types of radiators, and this one is relatively rare sight.
Thanks for the excellent picture, by the way. A chaos of markings I've never seen before! 8O It still has its original British census number and bridge disc plate (wrong colour and wrong number - German/Russian "upgrade"?), has German hand-written marking (Einheit 33878 (?) - could be the Feldpost number), the Eifel tower (23. Pz.Div. ?) and has Russian military truck number K(?)2-30-37. Apparently rare shot of one of these few British lorries sent to USSR by Lend-Lease. It also has what seems British shipment markings on the left fender. Just great!
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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by kerryboo » 17 Nov 2016, 10:20

This does look very Albion, although the radiator filler does differ from the more usual type. But, if as ilfil says, there were two types of radiator then this would, logically, be the other one. However it is very unlikely to be a B5, they were introduced in, I believe, 1943, after US products became the norm for Lend-Lease shipment to the USSR. British vehicles tended to be shipped in the early convoys, when quantities of US-sourced vehicles were not readily available. More likely it is either B1 or B3, which differed chiefly in the engine used and are known to have been supplied in small batches to the Soviet forces.
Kerry.

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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by ilfil » 17 Nov 2016, 11:08

Hi Kerry,
Albion BY5 is of 1942 vintage. I'll try to find more on the British Lend-lease shipments for the USSR to see what the 'lorry' model on the picture might be.
Here is one Albion BY with pressed brass/copper radiator shell:

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Presumably BY5, for it is postwar mount of the brave insect fighters :lol:
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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by kerryboo » 17 Nov 2016, 11:14

idil,
Thank you for that photo, I had not seen this style of radiator before. A very clear photo and a perfect illustration of the style. I had thought the B5 to be of 1943 vintage, I will amend my records, thanks.
Kerry.

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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by ilfil » 17 Nov 2016, 12:51

Hi again Kerry,
For this particular picture of the captured '3-language marked truck' the year ov advent of BY5 isn't critical at all. Apparently it is BY3 (see below).
Regretfully the Brits didn't issue detailed report on their Lend-lease shipments (or they have issued such document but it is still secret!), something like the US War Department report from 31 Dec 1946.
In the British War Cabinet "Report on fulfilment of the Moscow protocol" for Oct 41 - Jun 42 period only the totals are mentioned.
However, IMHO it is interesting to know what the situation with the "M/T. vehicles (Trucks)" was, according to the 'Table A":
- Promised: 3,000;
- Made Available: 3,001;
- Arrived USSR: 2,636;
- Sunk: 259;
- En Route 25th July: 106.

Only one other source mentions that in the period of concern "Among the first British deliveries to the Soviet Arctic ports of Murmansk and Archangelsk in 1941/42 were a few batches of the Albion BY3N 3-ton 6x4, equipped with a 80bhp 6-cyl. EN278A engine."
Thanks anyway for this chat, I've learned something new. I was aware that most of the US trucks were shipped CKD, but I didn't know that some British trucks were delivered in that country also partially KD:

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Cheers!
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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by Sturm78 » 20 Nov 2016, 13:08

Thank you very much for your help, ilfil and Kerry

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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by ilfil » 21 Nov 2016, 02:30

By far the ugliest Guy product, it is impossible to tell from this point is it Ant or Quad Ant:

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And much more pleasant looking Bedford OYD:

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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by kerryboo » 21 Nov 2016, 11:25

Folks,
As regards the Guy, there is some dispute as to when the Quad Ant GS lorry was first produced. Some sources say 1942, others 1943. However, all agree that the 4x4 GS was only produced once production of the FAT had ceased. So, no 4x4 GS with the BEF, the initial major source of British vehicles repurposed by the German forces. After Dunkirk there was, aside from some vehicles in Norway Greece and North Africa, no possibility of large scale assimilation of British vehicles, prior to the invasion of Western Europe. The wearing of the M34 field cap and not the M42 or 43 suggests, along with the very new-looking M40 tunics, that this was taken in the early days of WW2, probably following capture in France or Belgium. The caps also retain the arm-of-service chevron which was ordered to be removed early in the war. Further, the small fly screens in place of a full width two piece windscreen also point towards this being earlier than 1942/3 production, also removing the slender possibility that it was a cut-down FAT. Given all of the above I have no doubt that this is actually an Ant, 4x2, rather than the 4x4 Quad Ant. An interesting photo of a rather unusual vehicle,
Kerry.

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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by kerryboo » 24 Nov 2016, 00:21

ilfil,
I forgot to say, I am sure that the pleasant looking 3ton Bedford OYD is in fact a still pleasant looking 30cwt Bedford OXD. Or perhaps I have misread some feature?
Kerry.

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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by ilfil » 24 Nov 2016, 01:45

Oooops, mea culpa. I didn't spot the wheelbase in time. It is OXD. Nevertheless pleasant sight, as everything else is after Guy Ant. Except the famous Crossley "Garden shed", perhaps.
Thanks for the correction Kerry and cheers!
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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by Maxschnauzer » 07 Dec 2016, 00:52

Rigging a beute lend-lease Matilda for towing by a Stalinetz S-60:
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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by Pz III » 07 Dec 2016, 03:33

Maxschnauzer wrote:Rigging a beute lend-lease Matilda for towing by a Stalinetz S-60:
Great picture Max - Thank you

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Re: ► Photothread: Allied Vehicles in German Service

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Post by Sturm78 » 14 Dec 2016, 22:18

Hi all,

I am not sure about this truck: AEC Marshall 644 GS ???

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