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Help ID this tank

Post by Porcelain44 » 15 Sep 2021 20:22

Can someone help me ID this WW2 vehicle? Thanks
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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Blorange » 15 Sep 2021 20:48

Churchill Crocodile? The trailer and odd shaped protrusion for the flame projector on the right of the hull's front are signifiers.

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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by T. A. Gardner » 16 Sep 2021 00:25

Well, as far as the unit markings go it's a Crocodile assigned to 79th Armored Division as part of the British Second Army, and in the 31st Tank brigade, 7th RTR B squadron / company.

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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Porcelain44 » 16 Sep 2021 02:01

Thanks gents.

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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Porcelain44 » 16 Sep 2021 02:03

If I wanted to repaint this the British green rather than keep it winter camo, which this appears to be, can you tell me what paint color I should use?

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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Michael Kenny » 16 Sep 2021 02:03

The markings are confusing. '157' would match for 34th Tank Brigade and 147 RAC, a Churchill Regiment but not a Crocodile equipped unit. Though tank is marked as 79th AD. it also has the 2nd Army shield on the turret front. A 7 RTR vehicle would be marked as '993' as either a gun tank or when it converted to Crocodiles. However the Brigade/Rgt markings for 79th Armoured Division are almost impossible to completely decipher with certainty.


https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/ind ... crocodile/
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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by wwilson » 16 Sep 2021 08:26

can you tell me what paint color I should use?
S.C.C. 15 Olive Drab is probably a good choice. You can search for images of it on the web.

Example at https://www.smtmodeltog.dk/images/RC037 ... quer-p.jpg

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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Michael Kenny » 16 Sep 2021 10:07

This is 147 RAC in July 1944.
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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Porcelain44 » 16 Sep 2021 12:50

Is there a Tamiya green color for WW2 british tanks?

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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by von thoma » 16 Sep 2021 15:53

Tamiya Guide for Churchill Crocodile Mk. VII.

https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/32594/index.htm
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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 16 Sep 2021 20:31

I wonder where the modeller found those markings ? Between the imaginary markings and the odd colour it is very "interesting".
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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Porcelain44 » 16 Sep 2021 22:52

This is how I obtained it, so I am not certain about the markings, or the color.

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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Porcelain44 » 16 Sep 2021 22:52

von thoma wrote:
16 Sep 2021 15:53
Tamiya Guide for Churchill Crocodile Mk. VII.

https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/32594/index.htm
This is very helpful von Thoma. Thanks

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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Michael Kenny » 16 Sep 2021 23:46

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
16 Sep 2021 20:31
I wonder where the modeller found those markings ? Between the imaginary markings and the odd colour it is very "interesting".
It is the kit markings. It appears that Tamiya used IWM photos B7601 to B7645 which is 44 photos of 34th Tank Brigade shot on 17 July 1944.


https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205202405

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205202404

and that is where the kit decal 'Briton', '157' & the shields are sourced.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item ... /205206066


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Re: Help ID this tank

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 20 Sep 2021 18:08

Michael, Bless them then, perhaps an internet search, or heaven forbid looking in a book on the Crocodile, might have helped them.
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