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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Cult Icon » 28 Dec 2021 14:34

Well art I don't think it pretends to be a "balanced" analysis of the battles with equal research on the Soviet side, but rather a German tactical one centered on one Corps (with the general situation, other corps discussed as well) from German sources.

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by mars » 28 Dec 2021 19:25

Art wrote:
27 Dec 2021 22:11
Cult Icon wrote:
23 Dec 2021 15:03
vol. 1 focuses a lot on the actions of 73.ID, 19.Pz, 3.SS, 5.SS
I've bought it, unfortunately it has many problems similar to Frieser, i.e. instead of describing Soviet actions and operational objectives it describes German perception of them. The question of accuracy of these perceptions is not adressed, while it should be. Similar to Frieser the book overdramatizes importance of "battle of Praga/Radzymin/Volomin", which had mostly a tactical effect. It is repeated many times that the Soviet 3 Tank Corps was almost fully destroyed in this battle, which is not true. I believe there is some kind of overreliance on oral sources: in many instances "a hellish Russian drumfire" describes what was a modest artillery support accoridng to Soviet documents. In general, the books needs to be countebalanced by a perspective from the opposite side. Again, it seems to me that a lack of good modern overview of this campaign was a handicap.
This is the same issue in author's earlier book Hell's gate

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Art » 28 Dec 2021 21:13

Cult Icon wrote:
28 Dec 2021 14:34
Well art I don't think it pretends to be a "balanced" analysis of the battles with equal research on the Soviet side, but rather a German tactical one centered on one Corps (with the general situation, other corps discussed as well) from German sources.
Such account IMO must exist in the general context of the campaign history, otherwise it would be like probing the elephant. As I said, I see a part of the problem in the lack of such general context. Of course, this fact cannot be blamed on Nash.

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Cult Icon » 02 Jan 2022 15:24

I am almost done with vol. 2. The second half of vol. 2 is one for the drama queens; while providing an operational history of the Konrad 1, 2, 3 operations and subsequent defensive fighting there is an extensive analysis of the paper trail concerning the poor working relationship & lack of trust between Balck and Gille's IV SS Pz Korps.

The argument presented here is stridently anti-Balck/pro-Gille, and (showing without stating) implies that Balck was trying to protect himself with a paper trail against possible reprecussions concerning the failure of the Konrads. This consisted of Balck's repeated accusations of untimely reporting and insubordination to orders, and many black marks against the competence of Gille & his IV SS Pz Korps staff.

I think the author implies that Balck's leadership of the KONRAD operations was inadequate.

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 03 Jan 2022 07:52

Old conflict. Read Balck's 'Ordnung im Chaos. Erinnerungen 1893-1948'...

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Cult Icon » 03 Jan 2022 14:30

I have, and the argument presented here addresses the claims in the memoir.

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 03 Jan 2022 15:18

Gille and Balck weren't 'green' towards each other since the Tarnopol battle...

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 09 Jan 2022 09:07

Och... it was Tscherkassy!

Got Vol.1 yesterday, and, after reading the first 3 chapters I would say this book is a really good one. Five stars out of five. Will order both following Volumes.

Well researched, well explained...and a bunch of info. State of the art!

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by harmel » 14 Jan 2022 22:54

Hi J-H have read all 3 Vols and have really enjoyed all.
Tough fighting on the Eastern Front -remarkable.
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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Max » 15 Jan 2022 03:28

Hello All
Any new ideas on the meaning of the title?

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Greetings from the Wide Brown.

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Re: From the Realm of a Dying Sun vol. 1-3

Post by Cult Icon » 15 Jan 2022 04:00

Max wrote:
15 Jan 2022 03:28
Hello All
Any new ideas on the meaning of the title?

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There is another book with a similar title:


https://www.scalemates.com/books/sunwhe ... el--120046

Well, as can be predicted these books are about desperate defense (and desperate offense), struggling to hold the line, and then struggling to make it to Budapest. That's the only connection I guess, and I finished both books. I do not recall the meaning of the title ever being addressed.

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