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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by J. Duncan » 11 Aug 2011 21:23

The Manning book also makes no claims to Hitler's survival. He states quite clearly in chapter 3 that Hitler shoots himself. Manning was no fool...he knew he'd never get away with claims of a Hitler survival, but not much was known about Martin Bormann or Heinrich Mueller at the time he concocted his journalistic fable. These were "small fry" whose survival and escape would be more believable than Hitler's, since Pavelic , Eichmann, and Mengele were able to pull it off. Von Lang's book was not published until 1979, so there was not much refutation of his claims at that time. He also had fools like Simon Wiesenthal running their mouths publicly, refusing to believe that these men were in fact dead. If there was any "conspiracy" at all, or a great "scoup", it originates with Peron's secret police! The faked documents in the police archives misled and fooled not only Manning and Farago, but also Nazi hunters such as Wiesenthal. Why Peron would go to the trouble to doctor these one can only assume it was as a counter-foil to the Russians, for by then he had become a cold-warrior...or he wanted to thumb his nose at the Israelis, or both.

If anyone wants to do a REAL and credible story on escape and exile, one should write an english biography of Croatian Leader Ante Pavelic detailing his life and exile. This would be a wise personality to research. I for one would have preffered the authors of "Grey Wolf" to have spent 5 years researching this character. At least they would have a real book and not a ghost story.

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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by projectgreywolf » 11 Aug 2011 21:39

Re The independent article. Subsequent investigation proves this story wrong.
The DNA wasn't from Martin Jr.
to quote this article." "The scientists compared the DNA obtained from a piece of the skull with a tissue sample donated by an 83-year-old relative of Bormann's living near Frankfurt and found matching sequences."
The family denied that any such relative existed. The German authorities cremated the remains and disposed of them at sea.

As for Manning. Yes he was a journalist and an extremely Brave one having worked with CBS's Ed Murrow during the Second War.
I've done a lot of research into both Manning and Farago's sources, some of it actually in Argentina where I have been 14 times in the last five years.
Please see the following link for more on Farago's documents http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... documents/
They were both right more often than they were wrong and we have many other sources to Bormann's flight and arrival in Argentina, including an interview with Peron's former head of Personal Protection who is still alive, and a woman who worked for him in Buenos Aires who is also still alive.

Both writers were villified and dismissed by many, My research leads me to believe that this was a, disorganised, disinformation effort by people like Hugh-Trevor Roper who wanted to maintain their own status. HTR, as you will remember said the "Hitler diaries" were real. Interestingly he also believed Bormann escaped and changed his mind later.
There are a lot of spurious sources out there, The 1948 Interrogation of Gestapo Mueller being one of them with details of Hitler's flight to Barcelona (the document's a fake), and I can't take the books seriously.
I'm going to try and post some video sources for you to see.
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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by projectgreywolf » 11 Aug 2011 21:48

Unfortunately the forum won't accept.mov files.
Sorry. Will try and find some external sources.
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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by projectgreywolf » 11 Aug 2011 21:53

J, there is an interesting, supposedly real account, of the Pavelic assasination in a book called two bullets for Pavelic by Tihomir-Tiho Burzanovic, translated by Sinisa Djuric. I have a PDF copy from the internet if you would care to e-mail me I'd be happy to pass it on.
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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by projectgreywolf » 11 Aug 2011 21:59

HTR in 1967 on Bormann

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_ ... X17056702/

He would later change his mind.

Captain Ian Bell video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDGdsS5D ... ure=topics

.No Place to hide’ by Ian Bell, Minerva Press London 1998. Captain Bell was also interviewed about his work and sighting of Bormann in the Granda television documentary series ,’War stories’. The programme, ‘Nazi Hunter’
deals with Bell’s experiences as a Prisoner of War, and later as part of the war crimes commission.

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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by projectgreywolf » 11 Aug 2011 22:14

As for the escape of Gestapo Mueller,

No less a person than Hans-Ulrich Rudel, who spent a lot of time in Argentina post war, confirmed his presence in Argentina in personal papers sold By On-line Auctioneer Signature House.

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236. HANS-ULRICH RUDEL (1916-1982). Nazi combat pilot that repeatedly risked his aircraft and his life to save his comrades going to any extreme to never miss a mission. Before the end of the war he was awarded a medal especially made for him by the Führer, the only soldier in German history to receive the Golden Oak Leaves with Swords and Diamonds to the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross. Ordered by Hitler to take a medical leave and not to return to the front, he twice disobeyed and returned as he felt his duty was to defend the Fatherland to the death. He settled in South America after release from prison following the war and then removed to West Germany. Archive of letters and ephemera relating to the Luftwaffe legendary pilot and his postwar activities in South America. Excellent content. Three reproduced SPs, b/w, various size portraits; and one vintage postcard photo with facsimile signature with ANS in German on verso, Jul 19, 1957, thanking Frau Lauenstein for her work in Stille Hilfe [Silent Help] organization working to aid POWs and others confined in prisons. Signed in full. There are five TLsS and ten ALsS. Most of the correspondence is with right-wing extremist Nazi sympathizer and literary agent /publisher Keith Thompson in an effort to publish Rudel's book Stuka Pilot in America, a re-edited version of the more controversial 1953 Trotsdam. In 1958 Ballentine Books published a paperback version. Rudel also relates information regarding postwar sympathies of former Nazi Generals. He writes to Thompson, 1952 and 1954-55. He authorizes Thompson to negotiate a US edition of his book Stuka Pilot, stating his chief conditions: "Original text, pictures and photographs just as the English edition of the 'Euphorion Books' London..." Financial arrangements include payment in US dollars transferred to Zurich. He further relates: "...It would be best and very convenient if we could coordinate our work. There is absolutely no possibility to get a diplomatic passport, because I do not have contact within the German government; but I am in contact with the governmental industry of Argentina..." He wonders if America has German veteran associations that could assist him in coming to North America. "...Be assured I am asking only for a transit visa...for short 2 weeks. All times you can use my address of Carlos Paz, Cordoba - because the most important mail will be forwarded to me." This letter has many misspellings, some of which he corrected. He also makes vague reference to a society of "our comrades" which is not going well: "Terror alone will be no help...I really would appreciate to meet you soon." Rudel mentions trying to find a way to help "General TR" as quickly as possible. "I am just starting an action in this direction." He has delivered Thompson's and Koegel's "very cautious" invitations [to visit America] at the Embassy "I hope everything will be right with Lipincott [publishers]." In September 1955, he plans to visit Dr. Gross [SS Major Kurt Gross whom Thompson defended on war crimes trials); and asks if there is any news from Koegel. He hopes to eventually succeed in getting a US visa. Also present are ten ALsS "Hans Ulrich Rudel" or "H. U. Rudel" in German and English on onionskin, 18pp, October 1952 - February 1955. German text summarizations in English present. A sampling: Regarding his visa, "I have a German passport. I am contractually engaged by the Argentine government in the aircraft industry but have no official position within the government. I will therefore submit the visa matter to the [US] Embassy here [Buenos Aires]. I am in contact with Kesselring and with Mrs. Dönitz. I visited her recently. Watch out for the Goettinger Arbeitskreis (Work Circle at Goettingen). I believe that under the cover of 'refugee charities' U.S. money is concealed. We don't like money from that side...Please be careful. We have no close connection to this circle and it is certain that it is not along the same lines as ours. 'Der Weg' from the Duerer Verlag is absolutely reliable" but discourages any more contact with Garza-Kienitz. " ...This man Lilienfeld is a man of the 20 July category and other criminals. I spoke with Kesselring very much - he is a problem for us...Kesselring does not want to work with us, that he tries to work with Bonn. That we have no friends there is right. I tried after my visit in Germany to move Kesselring to work with us...For your new Organization it will be better if I personally will stay in the background..." Rudel names two contacts, with their addresses; one for South America is Gen. Heinrich Mueller, former head of the Gestapo and long sought by Jewish groups. With regard to a proposition for his book Stuka Pilot, he is unsure whether he wants to sign a contract. His title Dolchstoss Oder Legende (Daggerthrust or Legend) was not published in English, but privately in Argentina. "...Here in South America also the work is hard. Yesterday in Brazil they have forbidden my visit. I am very sorry because there I have good friends who help me...Many greetings also for Weiss and Viereck..." George Sylvester Viereck as a German agent in both World Wars. Rudel also mentions former Nazi propagandist Professor Johannes von Leers, an intellectual leader of the Nazi émigrés in South America. "But I am sure that their 'finance' possibilities are very little. The 'Weg' had nothing [to do] with communist groups..." Interestingly in July 1954, Rudel writes that one "of our friends had contact with Lindbergh and he believes, that would be very good if Lindbergh would write the preface." He understands Thompson's opinion of Koegel [conservative, afraid, etc.] "but the paper can be used in two ways," and mentions a contact in New York City. Rudel provides safe addresses in Frankfurt-Nied and Munich for forwarding money. "...I will travel 16th October to Germany...Letter and all things can reach me there. No news from [publisher] Lippinicott?.." In October 1954 he provides an accounting of sales of various printings of Stuka Pilot: French edition, 50,000, German 40,000, English 25,000, Spain (Argentina only) 18,000. Rudel states that Argentina will not provide him a passport; and if the US Embassy will not give him a visa, he will speak with Senator [William] Langer. He hopes to have more luck in publishing "with Henry Holt Company..." He discuses his plans for a new expedition in December: "...We will make a flight over the Onlean [Mountain] highest of the world Llullay-Yacu which I climbed three [times] near the top we found houses of the time of the Incas - therefore this 'journey' is very interesting..." He writes from Lisbon in 1955 relating that he has participated in a mountain expedition and taken splendid color photos. Rudel further mentions his efforts with Holt Publishing for a book. No US visa having appeared, he concludes, "Your intervention with Senator Langer is probably the only possibility...The sending of the Jew bulletin amused me. Many thanks..." Also present are three 1985 Time magazine articles on the search and discovery of the bones of the infamous Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele whom Rudel befriended while on an expedition to the Argentine Andes. Various newspaper clippings are also included, together with an unused red sticker for the Rudel Honor Union, a "Community for the Protection of the Frontline soldiers" featuring his image at image and providing information on how to join the organization. Generally in excellent condition. Clearly a great research project regarding the German ace whose life after the war was almost as compelling as his exploits during the conflict. Est: $500-900
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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by J. Duncan » 11 Aug 2011 22:26

Yes! Now we are getting into more of your investigation. This makes for more discussion. Thanks for sharing more information. I will look over what you posted to see where I'm wrong and what new material my narrow mind can digest. I have to go for now, but will look this over as soon as I can. Regards, Duncan.

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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by phylo_roadking » 11 Aug 2011 22:31

Rudel names two contacts, with their addresses; one for South America is Gen. Heinrich Mueller, former head of the Gestapo and long sought by Jewish groups.
1/ I see that Rudel's actual quoted words break off for that part...

2/ this is at best an indication that Rudel possessed what he thought was a contact name and address for Muller - it does not say that he'd met him personally in South America and thus verified the address/presence of Muller OR that the address was correct. Or that the address even existed...or that Muller was at it.

I'm sure you grasp the gap in the evidence chain; and please don't ask us to make logic jumps or anything of that nature... http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1615937 That doesn't have legs here.
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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by projectgreywolf » 11 Aug 2011 22:45

Phylo, I wouldn't dream of it, Just trying to be helpful and show aspects of the research that went into the Grey Wolf book, without giving the whole thing away before the US launch on October 4th and in the rest of the English speaking world on the 7th.

Reminds me very much of that old joke, "If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and floats like a duck, it's a chicken."
Which is what I think your reference to the other thread about German Atomic Bombs is trying to teach me.
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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by phylo_roadking » 11 Aug 2011 22:59

Reminds me very much of that old joke, "If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and floats like a duck, it's a chicken."
Which is what I think your reference to the other thread about German Atomic Bombs is trying to teach me.
No - if you set out to say that if something walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and floats like a duck....therefore it IS a duck - you need to be ABLE to take the word "like" out of the equation :wink:

It's many years' gone now, but I had some exposure to forensic document evidence and interpretation in my youth; that for instance may indeed say that Rudel thought he had X and Y - but it still needs verified/corroborated. Rudel could, for instance, have simply been ...wrong! 8O 8O 8O Has anyone else for example over the years given this same information for Muller? Or recorded visiting him at that (invisible to us) address?

In other words - if you're going to present something as evidence, you need to be very very sure it actually IS evidence. Because cleverer people than me are going to take a microscope to your book on October 4th, and call you on every occasion you're requiring your reader to draw their own "obvious" conclusions or make logic jumps rather than YOU presenting hard evidence...followed very soon by the verbal baseball bat if there's anything in the book ressembling the normal level of conspiracy theory "smoke and mirrors".
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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by J. Duncan » 12 Aug 2011 09:54

Having had time to peruse Gerrard's posts and his links, I have come to certain conclusions
(thanks again Gerrard). The article on the DNA analysis on the Bormann skeleton does indeed say that they used an 83 year old "relative" (why in hell wouldn't they simply have used Martin Bormann Jr's DNA is beyond comprehension!) which I missed, however there were dental records used as well to confirm the skull's as being that of Bormann. Dr. Hugh Thomas (another one of those ambulance chasing "specialists" who also said the "Hess" in Spandau was an impostor) had concluded that the skeleton was Bormann's but that the bodies had red clay on them and not Berlin sand, implying that the soil came from a place more in keeping with Paraguay! He claims the bodies were genuine but that they had been "moved" from another location. Absurd, yet people will continue to believe what they want to. Whatever the method used, Martin Bormann Jr. was satisfied that the remains were his father's. I suggest one view the various threads on Bormann's fate here at the Axis History Forum to get to the bottom of this issue...these are highly detailed, well thought out analyses which eventually become "locked" by Forum administrators due to the fact that the conclusiveness of the Bormann skeleton found in Berlin in 1972 was IN FACT Bormann's and anything apart from that conclusion is pure fantasy.

As to Trevor-Roper, I viewed his video in the link provided (great to see a young T-R in an interview from years ago) where he states his belief that Bormann escaped. Gerrard says he later changed his mind about this, but this would be a natural conclusion on his part in light of the discovery of the skeletons almost in the exact spot where Axmann had seen them and the conclusions drawn by the forensic evidence of the period in question (1972). It appears the video of T-R giving his opinion on the escape was filmed prior to the later discovery and publication of the book by Jochen von Lang.

The video highlighting a certain "Ian Bell" is far from "smoking gun" material. I for one was not convinced by his testimony...."I saw Bormann"...where's your proof Ian? This is just more "hearsay" I say.

As to the authenticity of the "documents" held by the Argentinian police in the link provided by Gerrard, this may only prove that although the documents themselves were "genuine documents", this does not mean that they weren't manifactured deliberately by the Argentinain secret services in order to mislead others. There is also a section below the article in which Trevor-Roper rebuts the argument of the individual who attacks T-R's review of the book by Farago ("Aftermath: The Hunt For Martin Bormann"). I have copied and pasted the dialogue below (from the link) for all to peruse.

"To the Editors:

The review of Ladislas Farago’s “Aftermath” by H. R. Trevor-Roper, published in your issue dated November 14, 1974, has just come to my attention. I am responding to the part of Prof. Trevor-Roper’s criticism in which he questioned the authenticity of Mr. Farago’s documentation.

I am a New York attorney familiar with the rules of evidence. When in September 1972, Mr. Farago succeeded in obtaining certain documents from the files of the Argentine Secret Services, presenting apparently conclusive proof that former Reichsleiter Martin Bormann had managed to escape to and settle in Argentina, he immediately called upon me to join him in Buenos Aires to aid him in the authentication of the documents, and in his efforts to establish “beyond a reasonable doubt” that the documents were authoritative and authentic.

I arrived in Buenos Aires on September 14, 1972, and proceeded with the execution of my commission as an attorney, conducting a professional investigation into the origins and authenticity of the Bormann documents. In this endeavor I was aided in Buenos Aires by Mr. Stewart Steven, then Foreign Editor of the Daily Express, who had flown from London also at Mr. Farago’s invitation to assist him in the authentication of the documents; by three distinguished Argentinian attorneys, Dr. Jaime Joaquin Rodriguez, Dr. Guillermo Macia Ray and the last Dr. Silvio Frondizi of Buenos Aires; and by Dr. Horacio A. Perillo, a practicing attorney in Buenos Aires, formerly legal aid to President Arturo Frondizi.

I personally interrogated several of the special agents whose names were mentioned in or whose signatures appeared on the documents, including Inspector Hector Rodriguez Morguado of Coordination Federal and Commissioner Alejandro Rafaelo of Policia Federal, and ascertained that the documents in Mr. Farago’s possession bearing on the Bormann case were, indeed, genuine, and originated as claimed at the Seguridad Federal, formerly known as Coordination Federal, the central archives of the Argentine Secret Service Establishment.

Based upon my investigation and my questioning of the parties concerned in the acquisition of the documents, I have no hesitation to state that the classifed documents on which the Bormann part of “Aftermath” is based are genuine and authentic, true copies of the originals on file at the agency until recently called Seguridad Federal in Buenos Aires. Prof. Trevor-Roper’s opinion in this matter, I submit, is based on sheer assumptions in the ignorance of the facts, stemming from his regrettable failure to properly investigate the case before expressing his doubts.

Joel H. Weinberg

New York City

H. R Trevor-Roper replies:

Mr. Weinberg states that my views on Mr. Farago’s documentation are based on “sheer assumptions in the ignorance of the facts” and on “regrettable failure properly to investigate the case.” Both these statements are unwarranted and false. Mr. Weinberg has not read my review with care, or he would have seen that I have made no “assumptions”: I have given good reasons for doubt; and he should anyway be aware that it is the duty of the author, not of the reader, to establish the authenticity of his documentation. Where an author (or his attorney) merely asserts, a reader is entitled to suspend judgment.

Among Mr. Farago’s documents, Mr. Weinberg warrants the authenticity of one group only, viz: the official Argentine documents. I have never denied that these particular documents may be genuine. But I have pointed out that since Señor Velasco is admitted to have palmed off on Mr. Farago a fraudulent photograph of Bormann, taken in circumstances which convict him either of complicity in the fraud, or at least of the grossest gullibility, we cannot assume the authenticity of any other documents supplied by him; and since Mr. Farago apparently continues, even after this episode, to trust Señor Velasco, we may legitimately mistrust Mr. Farago’s own judgment.

In any case, even if all Mr. Farago’s Argentine documents are genuine, they prove nothing about Bormann. So far from giving “conclusive proof” that Bormann had escaped to South America and was living there, they merely show that the Argentine Intelligence Service has a file into which miscellaneous reports on Bormann are put. No doubt there are similar files in other Intelligence Services. What Mr. Farago calls the “key document” which “clinches the matter” merely shows that an Argentine priest listened to a tall story by an anonymous informant. Such a document proves nothing at all. Authenticity and veracity are clean different things.

Mr. Farago does cite certain documents which, if genuine, would prove that Bormann lived for some years in South America. But these are not official Argentine documents and are not covered by Mr. Weinberg’s warrant. I believe these documents to be forgeries. I shall not trouble you with my reasons; but Mr. Weinberg would be well advised not to suppose that my belief is a mere assumption based on ignorance or regrettable failure to investigate the matter. I have taken a great deal of trouble in the matter, and the consistent evasions which I have met can only increase my skepticism.

Moreover, Mr. Weinberg needs to be told that credibility is indivisible. If Mr. Farago was deceived by Señor Velasco, he may well have been deceived by others; and if documents relating to Bormann are forged in Peru, there are conclusions which can be drawn from this is Argentina. Mr. Farago’s experience proves at least one thing: that there is a profitable Bormann industry in South America; and that the truth will not be discovered by anyone who is naïve enough to believe whatever he finds in the documents, even if those documents are pronounced authentic "


Manning's book is so far fetched that one cannot take it seriously....I mean really? Meyer Lansky? How in God's name a thug like him would even know of a Martin Bormann even from reading a history book let alone making him an "offer' is beyond anyone's credibility.

Without a Bormann survival, you have no Hitler survival, and even amongst the many people who believed Bormann survived (ie..Paul Manning) don't go as far as to say Hitler survived. "Project Greywolf" has Bormann surviving, Hitler surviving, Fegelein, and even Eva Braun. That's quite a list and a very hard case to prove. One almost thinks that it's an impossible position to defend, like a Jose Baez defending a Casey Anthony (lol) although in his case he won out due to a gullible jury...will there be a gullible public?

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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by Sid Guttridge » 12 Aug 2011 10:10

Hi Andy,

This book has been hyped here as bbeing co-authored by an "eminent military historian".

To me it shows all the classic signs of bait trailing for a conspiracy theory.

If authors can come on AHF, put up their publisher's PR puff and decline to answer questions on that PR puff's content, then the site becomes no more than a marketing tool for a few financially interested parties.

To his credit, Gerrard has taken sceptical contributions in good part, perhaps on the grounds that "any publicity is good publicity" in marketing terms. However, in the past, some authors have used the device of stickies to promote their book, accept fulsome praise from some friendly contributors and yet refuse to justify their books when pressed by other more sceptical contributors.

If authors want to use AHF to promote their books, they must expect the content of their contributions there, not just their book, to come under scrutiny.

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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by projectgreywolf » 12 Aug 2011 11:24

Hi Major,

I asked for permission from the forum to post the original "Grey Wolf" posting, and they suggested to put it in the reference material section.
I really don't think I'm "Bait trailing", I'd like to get as many comments as possible on the book. Of course I'm interested in selling copies, what author isn't? However I also think it's a story that needs to be told. My investigations have convinced me, but I cannot expect them to convince everyone.
If you like I'll withdraw the "hyping " word "eminent" on Simon, although his credentials as the author of 50 books on Military History are , would you agree, "quite good?" Neither of us have ever worked in "conspiracy" and I for one don't intend to. We've reported what we discovered, and not everyone will find it palatable or agree.
I'm happy with the scrutiny.
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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by Sid Guttridge » 12 Aug 2011 12:25

Hi Gerrard,

Of course you are "bait trailing". You are raising interest in your book by tantalizing contributors here in the hope that they will take the bait by spending their money on buying it.

You have been a member here for over three years and have tapped AHF members for information in the past (including on one of our classic conspiracy theory threads about supposed U-boats on the Patagonian coast). Nothing wrong in that. It is what the forum is for. However, if at any time you had wanted a debate on the subject, rather than trawl for information or place a free advert for your eventual profit, you would have been much more forthcoming about your book's contents.

I am not actually objecting to your "bait trailing" (though I do absolutely reject your denial of it). You aren't the first, and you won't be the last.

My point (which was not addressed to you) was that, having "bait trailed", that "bait", should be open to examination, comment and question by members. There has been some restriction on that in the past here.

If I ever see your book, I may well comment upon it. However, until then, all we have to go on is your posts here.

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No, in my opinion, Simon Dunstan's credentials are not necessarily "quite good" in terms of this book. His area of expertise, as exhibited in the titles of his previous books, does not seem to be anywhere near the subject matter of this book. This does not preclude him aquiring the necessary expertise, but his history doesn't seem to give any indication of this.

(To draw an analogy, if I am admitted to hospital for a heart condition, I don't want to be operated on by an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist. ENT specialists may doctors as well, and good at their particular job, but they are not qualified to operate on my heart. Indeed, they might very well be dangerous to my health if allowed to do so!)

In the interests of fairness to Simon Dunstan, below is a list of his titles. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but none of them seem to be closely related to the subject of your book, most of them are to do with modern armour, and almost all are of the abbreviated Osprey type that, if fiction, would at best be described as illustrated "short stories" or "novelas". I am happy to acknowledge he has expertise in some areas, (I see that I possess several of his Vanguard titles), but the subject of your book doesn't seem to be one of them.

■101st Airborne Division: The 'Screaming Eagles' (Spearhead)
■1st Marine Division in Vietnam (Spearhead)
■Allied Special Forces
■Centurion Universal Tank 1943-2003
■Centurion vs T-55 (Duel)
■Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank 1987-2006 (New Vanguard)
■Challenger Main Battle Tank 1982-97 (New Vanguard)
■Challenger Squadron
■Chieftain Main Battle Tank 1965-2003
■Entebbe: The Most Daring Raid of Israel's Special Forces
■Flak Jackets : Twentieth Century Military Body Armour (Men at Arms Series, 157)
■Fort Eben Emael: The Key to Hitler's Victory in the West
■Israel's Lightning Strike - The Raid on Entebbe 1976
■Israeli Fortifications of the October War 1973
■Mechanized Warfare
■Modern Tanks and Armoured Fighting Vehicles
■Self-Propelled Howitzers
■The Guards: Britain's Household Division (Europa Militaria Special)
■The M113 Series (Vanguard)
■The Modern British Soldier
■The Six Day War 1967: Jordan and Syria
■The Six Day War 1967: Sinai
■The Yom Kippur War 1973 (1): The Golan Heights
■The Yom Kippur War: The Arab-Israeli War of 1973
■Vietnam Tracks: Armor in Battle 1945-1975
■Warrior Company
■Yom Kippur War 1793: The Sinai
■Armour of the Korean War
■ARMOUR OF THE KOREAN WAR 1950 1953 (Osprey Vanguard # 27)
■Armour of the Korean War 1950-1953
■Armour of the Vietnam Wars (Vanguard)
■B?yskawica z Izraela Akja w Entebbe 1976 / Blyskawica z Izraela Akja w Entebbe 1976
■British Armored Cars Since 1945
■British Armoured Cars Since 1945. [Military Vehicles Fotofax]
■British Army Fighting Vehicles, Nineteen Forty-Five to the Present
■British Army. Fighting Vehicles. 1945 to the present.
■British Battle Tanks, 1945 to the Present (Tanks Illustrated)
■British Combat Vehicles Today
■Campaign 118: the Yom Kippur War 1973 (1) the Golan Heights
■Campaign 212 -The Six Day War 1967: SINAI
■Campaign 216 -The Six Day War 1967: Jordan and Syria
■CENTURION: Modern Combat Vehicles #2 (Bk. 2)
■Commandos
■Commandos - Churchill's "Hand of Steel" (Ian Allan Spearhead #11)
■Commandos. Churchill's 'Hand of Steel'. Spearhead No 11
■Commandos: Churchill's Hand of Steel (Spearhead)
■Europa Militaria No. 20 - The Guards Britain's Household Division
■FLAK JACKETS. 20th Century Military Body Armour
■Flak Jackets. 20th Century Military Body Armour. Colour plates by Ron Volstad
■For England and St. George: A History of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
■Fort Eben Emael The Key to Hitler's Victory in the West Fortress 30
■Fortress 79 - Israeli Fortifications of the October War 1973
■Great Battle Tanks
■GUARDS, THE - BRITAIN'S HOUSEHOLD DIVISION - Europa Militaria No20
■Men at Arms No. 157 - Flak Jackets - 20th Century Military Body Armour - OP
■Modern British Soldier, No. 2
■N. a. T. O. Armoured Combat Vehicles (Military Vehicles Fotofax)
■NATO Armoured Combat Vehicles (Military vehicles fotofax)
■NATO Support Vehicles (Military Vehicles Fotofax)
■New Vanguard 080 - Chieftain Main Battle Tank 1965 - 2003
■Osprey Men-at-Arms 157: Flak Jackets, 20th Century Military Armour
■Raid 2 - Israel's Lightning Strike: The Raid on Entebbe 1976
■Royal Marine Commandos: Britain's Green Berets (Spearhead 11)
■Scorpion The CVR(t) Range
■Scorpion, the CVR(T) range (Tanks illustrated)
■Spearhead 03 - 1st Marine Division in Vietnam
■Spearhead 11 - Commandos : Churchill's Hand of Steel - Britain's Green Berets
■Spearhead 16 - 1st Air Cavalry in Vietnam - the First Team
■Tank War Korea (Tanks Illustrated, No. 14)
■Tank War Vietnam
■Tank War Vietnam (Tanks Illustrated.)
■Tanks Illustrated No 23 : British Combat Vehicles Today
■Tanks Illustrated No. 22: Scorpion The CVR(T)
■Tanks Illustrated. Self-Propelled. Howitzers.
■The British Army In Northern Ireland (Uniforms Illustrated No. 4)
■The Centurion Tank in Battle (Vanguard)
■The Chieftain
■The M113 Series (Osprey Vanguard 34)
■The Vital Guide To Modern Tanks And Afvs
■The Yom Kippur War 1973, Volume 2: The Sinai (Praeger Illustrated Military History) (v. 2)
■The Yom Kippur War 1973: Pt. 2: Sinai
■The Yom Kippur War 1973: Sinai V. 2 (Praeger Illustrated Military History)
■The Yom Kippur War [Subtitle]: The Arab-Israeli War of 1973
■Uniforms Illustrated No. 02 : The Modern British Soldier
■Vanguard 22: The Centurion Tank in Battle
■Vanguard 27 - Armour of the Korean War 1950 - 53 (Vanguard Ser., No. 27)
■Vietnam Choppers
■Vietnam Choppers: Helicopters in Battle 1950-1975
■Vietnam Choppers: Helicopters in Battle 1950-1975 (General Aviation)
■Vietnam tracks: Armor in battle 1945-75
■British Army Fighting Vehicles 1945 to the present
■Yom Kippur War 1973 (2): The Sinai (Osprey Campaign 126)

I would much prefer it if we were given your CVs without editorializing. We can then make up our own minds as to whether anyone is "eminent", or even a "military historian".

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Re: Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Post by J. Duncan » 12 Aug 2011 13:55

Gerrard
I do not think you are a snake-oil salesman or a PT Barnumite. Your posts show you are quite sincere in your belief of what you write. I'm glad to hear that you are a realist when it comes to your theory in that you expect that most people here won't be bowled over by the information you present. You also admit that you expect to be challenged on this book and actually hope that you will be.

The AHF is perhaps the most informed website on the Third Reich(and other areas of historical interest)...I used to think that I knew more than a lot of people but this place has shown me how little I am. I am very humbled by the level of expertise I have found here and prideful at the same time of being a very small part of this excellent website. I hope you do not take offense by what certain people may say to you in all honesty...they are quite sincere too I asure you, and I have been roundly put in my place many times when I am wrong. I'm quite glad these individuals pointed out my blunders as I want to be as accurate as I can be. This is good research, scholarship, and examination of evidence and is equally sound for the expert as well as the layman who wants to better himself intellectually. This is what makes this website different from many others in that it filters what is fact and true from what is false. That is why I suggested you investigate the many threads here on this website before you publish your book, namely those pertaining to Bormann, Mueller, etc... I did enjoy looking over what you posted earlier...the old video footage of Trevor-Roper (whose books I personally like) was quite a treat. Men like Trevor-Roper, Alan Bullock, Louis Snyder, and yes, perhaps even William L. Shirer are men who wrote some very readable books that have withstood the test of time despite new research and theories of power politics. They were also men of that time era. A whole different calibre. Shirer was a journalist too, but unlike your Paul Manning, he did not survive Murrow. I think he downright hated the man.

Enough lecturing.

I am still interested in your answer to my question earlier as to what exactly brought you over from an attitude of skepticism to one of belief in this very strange story? Also, I'd like to know what got you interested in this subject in the first place?
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