Bloody Streets The Soviet Assault on Berlin April 1945

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Re: Bloody Streets The Soviet Assault on Berlin April 1945

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Post by mars » 08 Mar 2019, 16:36

Virginian wrote:
08 Mar 2019, 04:16
Apparently 2nd edition scheduled for publication in November of this year.
https://www.helion.co.uk/new-and-forthc ... l?___SID=U
Would the 2nd edition include the materials from Soviet side too ?

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Re: Bloody Streets The Soviet Assault on Berlin April 1945

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Post by Cult Icon » 08 Mar 2019, 16:41

The 1st edition was mostly from the German POV(like the author's other books (Oder Front, PzG to the Front)?


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Post by phillip burke » 04 Jul 2020, 23:56

Hello all,hello Cult Icon, just got the 2nd revised edition in the last week,i cant comment on the differences between first and second edition,but i would say that about half of the material in the 2nd edition is about the Soviets.This book is amazing and seems to have most angles covered,in fact i was quiet surprised with the amount of Soviet material, although i does make it well balanced. Overall i get recommend this book enough, even though i waited years for this to get re printed i am very happy,and i think anyone else who purchaces this will be.Oh and the last thing,the map book is excellent and allows you to follow the fighting easily

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Re: Bloody Streets The Soviet Assault on Berlin April 1945

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Post by Pz III » 05 Jul 2020, 02:26

Missed this the first time around - got my copy the other day. Clearing the deck so I can get started on it.

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 05 Jul 2020, 10:32

Pz III wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 02:26
Missed this the first time around - got my copy the other day. Clearing the deck so I can get started on it.
Rich, did you read the first edition ? If so can you notice any differences ?
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Re: Bloody Streets The Soviet Assault on Berlin April 1945

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Post by Pz III » 05 Jul 2020, 16:29

HI Alan
No I never got the 1st edition. But from what I gather talking to others is that the 1st edition did not have memoirs and accounts from the Soviet side. The 2nd edition includes many accounts from Soviet veterans as well as a great mapbook. Will be digging into my copy next week.

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Post by Mikko H. » 05 Jul 2020, 20:17

Great book, but how I wish a publishing editor would have taken a long, hard look at it before publishing. Or that someone had at least properly proofread it to weed out the numerous typos.

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 05 Jul 2020, 20:23

Mikko H. wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 20:17
Great book, but how I wish a publishing editor would have taken a long, hard look at it before publishing. Or that someone had at least properly proofread it to weed out the numerous typos.
That is why I was asking, in the first edition there appeared to me to be entire paragraphs missing because parts of it just didn't make sense if there weren't something missing.
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Re: Bloody Streets The Soviet Assault on Berlin April 1945

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Post by mars » 05 Jul 2020, 21:00

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 10:32
Pz III wrote:
05 Jul 2020, 02:26
Missed this the first time around - got my copy the other day. Clearing the deck so I can get started on it.
Rich, did you read the first edition ? If so can you notice any differences ?
I did not get the first edition, just received the 2nd edition, from the preface, I think author mentioned "I acquired new first person accounts, operational war diaries and images from the battle, from both the German and Soviet perspectives" relate to Soviet perspective, author acquired a copy of the 1948 book Shturn Berlina (Storming Berlin) that contains hundreds of unique accounts of the battle, and the Operation War Diaries for the First Belorussian, Second Belorussian and First Ukrainian Fronts

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Re: Bloody Streets The Soviet Assault on Berlin April 1945

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Post by mars » 07 Jul 2020, 20:16

Going through first pages, my impression this is still a book mostly if not entirely from German perspective, in order to making a point about the huge losses Soviet suffered in the Berlin offensive, author compared Soviet losses in Berlin offensive, to their losses in the battle of Kursk, the problem was of course he only included the Battle of Kursk to the Soviet defensive phase (5-23 July), everyone who was interested in the WWII East Front would have known majority of both Soviet and German losses suffered in the battle of Kursk were suffered in the Soviet offensive phase,
And there is something about author's opinion about Soviet generals, for example "Zhukov was a product of a brutal and often inflexible command system. There was nothing familiar in the way he conducted his military command and Western "way of war", I take a look at the calendar and think well, this is interesting"

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Re: Bloody Streets The Soviet Assault on Berlin April 1945

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Post by Art » 07 Jul 2020, 20:48

mars wrote:
07 Jul 2020, 20:16
"Zhukov was a product of a brutal and often inflexible command system."
The author of the largest night attack in the history of warfare, if you please.

I've got "Oder Front", my impression is that while the author diligently translated German situation reports, critical analysis is not where his largest strength lies.

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