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Mussolini's War series

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Post by Marek Sobski » 17 Dec 2020, 17:49

Hello!

I wanted to introduce myself, my book series and its first volume.

“Mussolini's War” series of publications is aimed to deal in a matter-of-fact way with the unfair, racist myth of the Italian being a cowardly soldier by birth. It will discuss in a substantive way the campaigns fought by the Italian forces on the ground, at sea and in the air during the reign of Benito Mussolini, the dictator. Reader-friendly language style, descriptions of previously neglected or unknown operations and actions, a lot of space devoted to the most important heroes of the events in question – the rank-and-file - all this makes these books dedicated to readers of all levels of historical knowledge and a guarantee of pleasant time spent reading. The painfully honest account of the weaknesses of the Italian military, in which however, we do not forget about the numerous examples of unprecedented heroism and endurance of the Italians, is based on references on the topic published worldwide, thanks to which we avoid mythologisation, which can often be noticed in other works. It is the first time that the subject is presented comprehensively in the English language.

Volume I is "East Africa 1940-1941 (land campaign): The Italian Army Defends The Empire In The Horn Of Africa" available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PC7FYMV (and every other marketplace)

When the Kingdom of Italy entered the war in Europe in June 1940, it did so only for a moment to hasten the fall of France and force Britain to the peace negotiations table. With each subsequent month it was turning out that the Italians had got involved in a war that was not going to have a quick and victorious end, and the state of their own unpreparedness for the conflict was shocking.

Due to the Italian colonial possessions, the war also spread to East Africa, so distant for Europeans. This is where the situation of the Italian forces turned out to be the most difficult. The troops fighting there, mostly consisting of natives, were disastrously poorly armed, trained only for the purposes of colonial warfare or maintaining internal order in the colonies, cut off from supplies by neighbouring French and British possessions, and the Italian high command lacked the abilities of waging regular campaign. The British Empire, too, began the battle for the Horn of Africa poorly prepared, but quickly realised the importance of this campaign, namely the safety of its own lines of communication across the Red Sea, the Nile and Africa. Having quickly mobilised its forces, it proceeded to eliminate the Italian threat in this part of the world.

This work presents in detail the campaign that lasted until November 1941, in which soldiers of about twenty nationalities from three continents fought on both sides for the colonial interests of Italy and Britain. The campaign in East Africa is not only about the frontline combat, it is also a brutal war between Italians and Ethiopian partisans. We also present issues such as the economic situation of Italian East Africa, the fate of the Italians inhabiting it, the history of the countries that constituted it after the campaign ended, and the Italian underground resistance, whose flame was smouldering up to the very armistice between Italy and the Allies.

Marek Sobski, a graduate of the University of Zielona Góra, is a historian. Author of several books (including some published in English like "Lictorian Fasces Over England. Regia Aeronautica In Action Against Britain 1940–1941" and the two-volume "Crickets Against Rats. Regia Aeronautica In The Spanish Civil War"), as well as articles in specialist magazines. Since late 2011, he has been a promoter of interest in the history of the Italian military in the first half of the 20th century, and his expertise has been made available to readers of the "Mussolini's War" blog and on social media.

Please wish me good luck!

Best regards,

Marek Sobski

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Post by J. Duncan » 17 Dec 2020, 23:29

Sounds interesting....it’s a shame Italians of that time period have been slandered and smeared as either inept or cowardly. I think there is an oft quoted joke about the least read books “Italian war heroes” etc....not fair. From what I’ve read they fought like lions in all theaters.


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Post by DT-SC » 19 Dec 2020, 17:33

Very interesting subject; thank you and good luck with your work

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 20 Dec 2020, 05:31

Hi Marek,

As a matter of interest, where have you seen it said "....the Italian being a cowardly soldier by birth."?

You also say, "..... unprecedented heroism and endurance of the Italians". Unprecedented? For that to be so, surely they would have to have been more heroic and shown more endurance than anyone, anywhere, ever before in history?

You post, "When the Kingdom of Italy entered the war in Europe in June 1940, it did so only for a moment to hasten the fall of France....." The fall of France was proceeding so rapidly that the Italian intervention was superfluous. The "A" and "B" plans of the Italian Armistice Commission indicate that, in fact, Italy had in mind extensive territorial gains in the south of France. Only failure in the field in the short time available seems to have embarrassed Mussolini into not pressing for them at the time.

Cheers,

Sid.

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Post by DrG » 02 Jan 2021, 04:05

Marek Sobski, your book seems interesting and I wish you a good success. I assume you have made use of both Italian and British sources in a comparative way, which should make your book a unique source about this neglected topic.

On the other hand, I would suggest you to avoid too rhetoric words, which, as you can see, easily trigger British readers who are accostumed to 80 years of "finest hours", "blood, sweat and tears", etc. applied to their own Armed Forces, but cannot stand a similar style when other nations are concerned.

At the same time, I suggest you to provide also a good explanation and source for any statement of yours that may differ from the usual picture in English language literature. This rule, of course, is applied only when an author tries to portray the Italian history in a way that is at least neutral or - God forgive us - positive light.

When instead people raise topics of which they haven't any clue but are useful to cast a negative light on Italy, everything is forgiven. Just see, for example, the utterly off-topic and wrong reconstruction of the Italo-French armistice in June 1940 provided by Sid Guttridge here.

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 02 Jan 2021, 12:51

Hi DrG,

You say, "Just see, for example, the utterly off-topic and wrong reconstruction of the Italo-French armistice in June 1940 provided by Sid Guttridge here."

That certainly requires some explanation. What, precisely, is wrong with my, albeit much abbreviated, reference to the Italian Armistice Commission?

I am always willing to revise my opinions, so here it is again for you to deconstruct properly this time:

"The "A" and "B" plans of the Italian Armistice Commission indicate that, in fact, Italy had in mind extensive territorial gains in the south of France. Only failure in the field in the short time available seems to have embarrassed Mussolini into not pressing for them at the time."

Cheers,

An expectant Sid.

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Post by DrG » 02 Jan 2021, 19:22

If you wish to debate the Italo-French campaign in its politico-diplomatic context please open a new topic, providing your point of view and the sources that have made you reach these conclusions, in the correct sub-forum and I will take part to the thread.

The point that I am challenging is that there were "extensive territorial gains" which were not reached due to the failure on the field and the short time available.

I start begging your pardon for my harsh and sarcastic message in this thread, but frankly your cold-blooded and off-topic attack to a new member just because of the somewhat bombastic tone of his book's summary really upset me.

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 03 Jan 2021, 15:28

Hi DrG,

What "cold-blooded and off-topic attack"?

I politely asked three direct questions on precisely the subject of this thread because they addressed (indeed quoted!) what Marek, the original poster, wrote here.

If I am off-thread, so is Marek, and I rather think that, as the opener of this thread, he sets the terms here, not you or I!

I find it worrying that neither Marek, nor you, are prepared to even address these questions.

You are both apparently members of the revisionist school of Italian historiography of WWII, (with which, incidentally, I have some sympathy), and yet neither seems prepared to stand up for your subject.

I hoped for better, as this is a subject worth addressing.

"Taking the Fifth" never looks good, so my questions to you and Marek stand, because I am always happy to be corrected by apparent experts on any subject.

I leave it to Marek to reply to my questions here. At your request, I will open another thread for you, to be titled, "Why did Italy not not follow up its pre-war rhetoric by making extensive territorial claims from France in 1940?"

Cheers,

Sid.

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Post by DrG » 04 Jan 2021, 17:46

Sid, I guess we have quite different opinions of the meaning of "politeness"; anyway, this matter is closed for me and I have no problems for our exchange of messages here. Marek Sobski doesn't need an advocate (if ever he will desire to take part to this forum) and I am sure he knows pretty well how to find the dozens of insults written by some British authors about the Italian Armed Forces in the last 80 years (althrough the vast majority not later than the 1950's), as documented by Sadkovich for example. Now we can go on debating the fully off-topic (you already know that it was this matter that was off-topic, without resorting to rethoric questions) Italo-French armistice of June 1940 in its appropriate place: viewtopic.php?f=75&t=254589.

PS I am not exactly part of any historical school, given that I am just a reader, seldom I make some research for those who ask my help, but I am not an historian, neither professional or amateur, because I don't like writing and I have already to write too much for my job...

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 04 Jan 2021, 20:23

Double post.
Last edited by Sid Guttridge on 04 Jan 2021, 20:27, edited 1 time in total.

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 04 Jan 2021, 20:26

Hi DrG,

What does "I guess we have quite different opinions of the meaning of "politeness" mean, exactly?

Only one person here has admitted to using a "harsh and sarcastic message", and it wasn't me!

Although sometimes a little testy, as far as I am concerned all posts here have been polite, if direct, on all sides.

I politely asked three direct questions of Marek on precisely the subject of this thread because they addressed (indeed quoted!) what Marek, the original poster, wrote here. If you have an objection to the tone of any of them, please be specific in your criticism.

It is not impolite to ask pertinent questions, or to disagree.

Thank you for highlighting the thread I opened at your request.

Cheers,

Sid,

P.S. Will you be answering my questions about Bir el Gobi on: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=250650&p=2286735&h ... i#p2286735

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Post by DrG » 05 Jan 2021, 02:36

In my opinion a polite debate is not a third degree interrogation, filled with gratuitous and rhetoric questions, but clearly we cannot agree about this point.

I regret I cannot provide anything useful in the Bir el Gobi thread, given my relative lack of interest and expertise in tactical matters. I see that your message that you have linked was in a thread with some members much more learned than me about its topic, and yet it derailed into something close to a "flamewar".

I hope you found interesting, instead, my reply in the thread about the Italo-French armistice of June 1940.

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 06 Jan 2021, 00:59

Hi DrG,

You post, "In my opinion a polite debate is not a third degree interrogation, filled with gratuitous and rhetoric questions, but clearly we cannot agree about this point."

Actually, we agree. There was no third degree interrogation, filled with gratuitous and rhetoric questions. There were just three questions, none of them rhetorical and all of them on-thread because they took up specific points Marek raised, and even quoted from him in every case.

Last post I asked, "If you have an objection to the tone of any of them, please be specific in your criticism." You have yet to do so. Will you be?

You post, "I regret I cannot provide anything useful in the Bir el Gobi thread, given my relative lack of interest and expertise in tactical matters." Well, you weren't initially so shy to offer opinions on the subject, but thanks for your honesty now. I will not press the issue further.

I certainly did find your reply to the thread about the Italo-French Armistice. I think it was the most informative thing I have seen you post and I very much recommend it to others. Thanks. I am composing a reply.

Cheers,

Sid.

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Post by DrG » 06 Jan 2021, 15:57

Sid Guttridge wrote:
06 Jan 2021, 00:59
Actually, we agree. There was no third degree interrogation, filled with gratuitous and rhetoric questions. There were just three questions, none of them rhetorical and all of them on-thread because they took up specific points Marek raised, and even quoted from him in every case.

Last post I asked, "If you have an objection to the tone of any of them, please be specific in your criticism." You have yet to do so. Will you be?
Sid, I am sure you are clever and mature enough to understand that if somebody doesn't wish to reply to your questions it is because he thinks he has better things to do. As we say in Italy "chiedere è lecito, rispondere è cortesia" ("it is legitimate to ask, it is a courtesy to reply"), and your tone is that of an interrogator. "Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition", as the Monty Python used to say. Anyway, you sequence of questions to Marerk ("Unprecedented? For that to be so, surely they would have to have been more heroic and shown more endurance than anyone, anywhere, ever before in history?") looked very rhetoric and uselessly polemic in my point of view.
You post, "I regret I cannot provide anything useful in the Bir el Gobi thread, given my relative lack of interest and expertise in tactical matters." Well, you weren't initially so shy to offer opinions on the subject, but thanks for your honesty now. I will not press the issue further.
It is a common opinion that British people have a kind of sixth sense for reading between the lines. Surely it is just a myth. To put it straight: I have read a lot about Bir el Gobi, I have my opinion about this battle, and at the same time I have not the same level of knowledge by Urmel, who is by far the best expert in this forum about the land warfare in North Africa in WW2, therefore I could not add anything more than he did. I had read that thread this summer and I did not take part to it both because I fully agreed with Urmel and because I found your attitude in that thread unbearable. I didn't wish to be so clear in order to avoid an open criticism of your mood, but it seems you really needed a full explanation.
I certainly did find your reply to the thread about the Italo-French Armistice. I think it was the most informative thing I have seen you post and I very much recommend it to others. Thanks. I am composing a reply.
You are welcome.

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Post by Marek Sobski » 30 Jan 2021, 12:29

Hi!

We will talk about the French campaign on the occasion of Vol. 3 (also in this year, I hope) :D

Maybe let's go back to East Africa...

First review: https://comandosupremo.com/forums/index ... #post-3114

In preparation Vol. 2: "Mussolini's Eastern Crusade. Italian Expeditionary Corps In Operation Barbarossa" 8-)

Color version of maps from "East Africa 1940-1941..." for download: https://files.fm/u/b8x6p4xrs

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