Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Michael Kenny » 20 Jan 2024 07:00

J. Duncan wrote:
20 Jan 2024 04:14

Yes of course , these publications are trustworthy and deliver unbiased, balanced news. They have always had the people’s best interests at the center of their reporting (sarcasm). The above survey of British lemmings doesn’t make “trustworthiness” a reality...................
And yet, wretch that he is, there is something attractive about a man who doesn’t back down and spits in the face of these slime bags who run the mass media..............
The media will continue to teach what is acceptable and fashionable and what isn’t, and the booming lemming population will continue to respond accordingly...............
A perfect example of why you should never let your politics dominate your thinking. In the UK the two biggest indicators of your politics are age and educational qualifications. The higher the former and the lower the latter the further to the right you lean. Hence their war on education and the delusion that all those who do not share their politics are 'shepple'.
The reality is that (in The UK) the majority of the most trusted news sources are those outlets despised by the right and that must irk those convinced they and their like are the only ones who can see The Matrix

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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by harmel » 20 Jan 2024 08:52

I have a few books by David Irving in my collection and a big fan of
Michael Millers books which I have also in my collection!
Ref the Guardian subject the late great Clare Hollingworth OBE when writing for
Guardian praised The Mares Nest(Irving) as interesting on matters related too the book.
As a former soldier with 23 years service would definitely say the Guardian is to far left,
woke and to much interested in aiding the actions of demonstrations by Palestinians and others
who live here in the UK and also supportive of the way the Trade Unions behave.
But they get a lot of exposure from the BBC and have done for a long time and as recently in the Israeli conflict the
BBC has been found out for being woke and anti Israel.
Anyway I have had my say!
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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Michael Kenny » 20 Jan 2024 09:20

harmel wrote:
20 Jan 2024 08:52

As a former soldier with 23 years service would definitely say the Guardian is to far left....


BBC has been found out for being woke.....................
So you are in the group where age defines your politics?

That still does not change the fact that the Guardian is seen as far more trustworthy than the majority of the newspapers that relentlessly promote right-wing wedge issues.
The BBC though is by far the most trusted news source and it crushes all those baying for its destruction. Perhaps instead of seeing yourself as the silent majority you should accept that you are instead part of the vocal minority?

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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by harmel » 20 Jan 2024 11:45

I suppose age does define my politics too a certain point because coming
from a Coal Mining family the left wing Unions at the time destroyed the miners
and also the Car workers at the time and today the Unions are still at it with the Labour Party
too scared to take on there paymasters.
Definitely not the silent majority or the vocal minority.
Get a life
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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 20 Jan 2024 12:47

Hi Cosgar,

1) Being Leftist does not, of itself, make one wrong.
2) Being "non-PC" does not, of itself, make one right.
3) Can we have some examples of "socialists defaming their victims every day every year"?
4) If I remember rightly, Irving brought the case in the UK that ruined his reputation. While I wouldn't have the Austrian laws he was convicted under here in the UK, our circumstances are vastly different. Austrians had a significant part in the so-called "Holocaust", whereas the UK didn't. They are therefore more sensitive to the issue of "Holocaust Denial" than the Brits. They have to deal with the matter in their own way. For what it is worth, at his trial Irving said he now accepted that the "Holocaust" took place.

If one takes a simplistic ideological approach and don't read what the opposition says, one will remain blinkered and underinformed.

Cheers,

Sid.
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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 20 Jan 2024 12:50

Hi Harmel,

Surely it is better to be "woke" (aware of issues) than "dope" (unaware of issues)?

Cheers,

Sid

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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Cosgar » 20 Jan 2024 14:27

Hallo Sid,
all the points that you made are valid but you answered points listed by Tilisser and not by me. I was asking Tilisser about his last point on freedom of speech.

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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by wm » 20 Jan 2024 14:32

Michael Kenny wrote:
20 Jan 2024 09:20
That still does not change the fact that the Guardian is seen as far more trustworthy than the majority of the newspapers that relentlessly promote right-wing wedge issues.
Where do you find those right-wing newspapers?
Real right-wingers will tell you that they are marginalized; almost all media are leftist and woke, full of socialism, LGBT, deadly pandemics, global warming scare, and warmongering neocons.

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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Michael Kenny » 20 Jan 2024 17:37

wm wrote:
20 Jan 2024 14:32


Where do you find those right-wing newspapers?
Real right-wingers will tell you that they are marginalized;
Total rubbish. In the UK most newspapers are owned by overseas billionares who rarely set foot in the country. They range in views from Right-wing' to 'stark raving crazy right -wing' The 'Left' are vastly outnumbered and outgunned by the lunatics.
Thats without the bat-merde crazy GB News TV Station................

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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by harmel » 20 Jan 2024 17:50

Having just been on this part of the Forum I believe for the last few days
I am glad that I have not contributed over the years too answer anything!
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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Michael Kenny » 20 Jan 2024 19:10

harmel wrote:
20 Jan 2024 17:50
Having just been on this part of the Forum I believe for the last few days
I am glad that I have not contributed over the years too answer anything!
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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by harmel » 20 Jan 2024 19:26

Sorry for the last time!
Kenny you need help and fast!!
I was going too say regards but you are not a nice person so why say it.
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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Sheldrake » 20 Jan 2024 19:30

wm wrote:
20 Jan 2024 14:32
Michael Kenny wrote:
20 Jan 2024 09:20
That still does not change the fact that the Guardian is seen as far more trustworthy than the majority of the newspapers that relentlessly promote right-wing wedge issues.
Where do you find those right-wing newspapers?
Real right-wingers will tell you that they are marginalized; almost all media are leftist and woke, full of socialism, LGBT, deadly pandemics, global warming scare, and warmongering neocons.
Only if you take your news from GB News. From is handle I think harzer prefers to take his opinions from Das Schwarze Korps

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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by Michael Miller » 20 Jan 2024 20:45

Let's keep things civil and on-topic gentlemen. And as apolitical as possible, though I know it can be difficult when discussing someone like David Irving.
But we're going far afield of "Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?"

Best wishes,
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Re: Focal Point (David Irving)- out of commission?

Post by harmel » 20 Jan 2024 21:13

I agree Mike! Definitely
Having served as a Warrant Officer with the British Army for 23yrs serving in
Northern Ireland Norway Greece and with the US Army why would some idiot
mention Das Schwarze Korps and call me Harzer!
Regards Mike
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