ww2 equipment in 2002?
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ww2 equipment in 2002?
A friend told me that there still exist some ww2 tanks in some countries .For exemple ,he told me that Cuban army still use a few t-34/85.Seems incredible!
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Many armies in the world still keep plenty of ww2 technics.
For instance:
China has more than Soviet 300 t-34s used in war, which came as a Russian help to Mao during the 50's.
Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria... they all have T-34s, and somewhere even Shermans.
Serbia had ower 500 T-34s untill recent...
Albanian terrorist in Kosovo started the conflict in 1998 by using Mp34s and Mp38s.
For instance:
China has more than Soviet 300 t-34s used in war, which came as a Russian help to Mao during the 50's.
Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria... they all have T-34s, and somewhere even Shermans.
Serbia had ower 500 T-34s untill recent...
Albanian terrorist in Kosovo started the conflict in 1998 by using Mp34s and Mp38s.
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Panther
Read a story about a pilot in Viet Nam that swears he saw a WW2 Panther on a mission.France used Panthers after the war,France had 'control' of Viet Nam once.Could the French have had WW2 Panthers in Viet Nam?
Alex Vasilewsky wrote:Many armies in the world still keep plenty of ww2 technics.
For instance:
China has more than Soviet 300 t-34s used in war, which came as a Russian help to Mao during the 50's.
Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria... they all have T-34s, and somewhere even Shermans.
Serbia had ower 500 T-34s untill recent...
Albanian terrorist in Kosovo started the conflict in 1998 by using Mp34s and Mp38s.
Wohoo, take it easy Vasilevsky on who you call terrorists cuz I bet you know who the terrorist has been during all the Balkan wars. Btw, do you even know what a terrorist is?
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Re: Panther
I would say it could be a possiblity. A lot of ex wehmarch and waffen SS ended up enlisting in the French Foreign Legion post ww2. Many died in the final siege in 1954, which saw french defeat. So it would not be unreasonable to expect some of the french armed forces in Vietnam may have inherited some old german equipment.Rich Yankowski wrote:Read a story about a pilot in Viet Nam that swears he saw a WW2 Panther on a mission.France used Panthers after the war,France had 'control' of Viet Nam once.Could the French have had WW2 Panthers in Viet Nam?
France as a nation recovering from four years of occupation would probally have utilized a lot of captured equipment in the imediate post war years. The loss of French Indo China (Vietnam) happened just 9 years after the end of ww2.
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As far as I know some Panther G were used a few year after the war in the 530e RCC (Régiment de Chars de Combats) and in the 6e Cuirrassiers but they never left France and were quickly abandonned due to lack of repair pieces. One Tiger I also served under the French flag and has been engaged against the St Nazaire Pocket. I have heard that some Sdkfz251 have been sent to Indochina (?) but also few M36B2 and I think this pilot saw a M36 and took it for a panther. I have already heard that this pilot said it was pink ! perhaps some dirt ? or a kind of layer under the combat paintings that could have disappeared with time.
For panthers we had not enough repair pieces and under these tropical conditions it is probably not the most reliable tank to use. Several M24 Chaffee have been used instead and served for example in Dien Bien Phu.
This photo of a M36 has been taken in indochina in 1951. And it is possible that one guy could have taken it for a panther !
For panthers we had not enough repair pieces and under these tropical conditions it is probably not the most reliable tank to use. Several M24 Chaffee have been used instead and served for example in Dien Bien Phu.
This photo of a M36 has been taken in indochina in 1951. And it is possible that one guy could have taken it for a panther !
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And the French troops had to deal with many many weapons (misc small arms, howiters etc.) that US delivered originally to Chang Kaï Chek and that fall in the hands of Mao and Giap But VM also had former japanese weapons and later many chinese and russian weapons.
The French had mainly US and british equipment (Garand, USM1, .30 and .50 HMG, Sten) but also french one : rifles (MAS36 and MAS49), SMG (MAS38, MAT49 later) and LMG (FM24/29) ... on the beginning they also used MP40 but many soldiers who had served in the Charlemagne were disapointed and regreted their former MG42 when using the poor FM24/29 with its low rate of fire (a small magazine with 7,5 mm rounds) Later in Algeria French were still using FM 24/29 and had to struggle with guys armed with MG42 !!! which was by far superior .... in response the army developped the french AA-52 first in 7,5 mm but it is still in service in .308 and replaced gradually by the FN Minimi nowadays in the infantry squads.
The French had mainly US and british equipment (Garand, USM1, .30 and .50 HMG, Sten) but also french one : rifles (MAS36 and MAS49), SMG (MAS38, MAT49 later) and LMG (FM24/29) ... on the beginning they also used MP40 but many soldiers who had served in the Charlemagne were disapointed and regreted their former MG42 when using the poor FM24/29 with its low rate of fire (a small magazine with 7,5 mm rounds) Later in Algeria French were still using FM 24/29 and had to struggle with guys armed with MG42 !!! which was by far superior .... in response the army developped the french AA-52 first in 7,5 mm but it is still in service in .308 and replaced gradually by the FN Minimi nowadays in the infantry squads.
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Re: ww2 equipment in 2002?
Hi!:)
There are still some M36 90mm GMC Jackson (former US Tank Destroyer)in service in Yugoslavia (Thanks Bojan!:)),as self-propelled infantry support gun.
http://elektron.tmf.bg.ac.yu/user/bojan/armor/spg/m-36/
Respectfully...Col.Valentine:)
There are still some M36 90mm GMC Jackson (former US Tank Destroyer)in service in Yugoslavia (Thanks Bojan!:)),as self-propelled infantry support gun.
http://elektron.tmf.bg.ac.yu/user/bojan/armor/spg/m-36/
Respectfully...Col.Valentine:)
RSO
regarding the RSO near moscow, it must be a one of the post war copies msde on german equipmetn.
somewhere on the web, I saw a picutre of the factory, circa 1970's. and they are still being made in the same configuration, only the wheels have changed, but the cab and layout is the same.
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Xavier
somewhere on the web, I saw a picutre of the factory, circa 1970's. and they are still being made in the same configuration, only the wheels have changed, but the cab and layout is the same.
regards
Xavier