Anyone know what "kibag" is or stands for? (UPDATE

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Anyone know what "kibag" is or stands for? (UPDATE

Post by Cool-E » 26 Sep 2007 02:32

I cannot find what "zum Kibag 40" stands for. Any help would be appreciated.



Today, (Oct 2) I got some information that this item may have been used on a device called a "kino basisgerat auswertegerat" (analysis-device for basic-device). The description is as follows:

The device was used to measure the distance between an air-target and the visible trace of tracer-ammo on the basis of pairs of photographs (stereo), taken with the Kino-Basisgerät (basic device). The "Kibag" is made of two parts, the stereoscope and a mount for the film. The stereoscope is a double-microscope with 5,5 augment

There is a picture of this device on line, but it is very small. I will continue to search for information and to confirm is this information in correct.

Picture of device: http://www.archive.zeiss.de/nav.FAU?sid ... G=H&NPOS=2


Also, there is a Luftwaffe manual: L.Dv. T 1454 2a that covers the Kinobasisgerat 40. Now I need to find information on this manual.
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Post by Cool-E » 26 Sep 2007 20:03

Nobody? No ideas at all?

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Post by Dan Mouritzsen » 26 Sep 2007 22:47

Hi

It might help if you tell/show us in full what kind of equipment it is on the photo.

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Post by phylo_roadking » 27 Sep 2007 01:07

Well, it's some sort of optical device, going by the eyepeices at the bottom of the pic, and the "F.12x60" zoom above the "kibag"

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Post by Cool-E » 27 Sep 2007 01:35

The item is a 12x60 spotting scope like the one below. 99% of these are marked "BLC Rm-F12x60 fur Em4M R 40". This means they are spotting binoculars for the 4 meter rangefinder model R40. I have seen one that was marked for a radar device, but this one is for use "zum kiberg 40", whatever that is. It could be a radar, a sound device, a rangefinder, a seachlight of some kind. I just don't know and I would like to know.
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Post by jopaerya » 27 Sep 2007 08:09

Hello Cool-E

I have no the awnser , but maybe a little help , I know that
the Marine Flak Batterie's had a Kommando-Gerät called
Dreiwag C/35 so maybe the Kibag 40 is of the same type ??

A other option is contact our member Xavier http://news.webshots.com/album/225142470kDdSvz?start=12

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Post by Xavier » 27 Sep 2007 14:42

to tell the truth, no firm idea, but could be for a marine related rangefinder, maybe the ones with the roll base added. (for the rolling motion on a ship)
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Post by Cool-E » 02 Oct 2007 03:04

Update: so far I have found dick (that means nothing). I wrote the Imperial War Museum, and they had no idea. I have written to two museums in Germany, but I think they want to ignore WWII altogether. The Zeiss Historical Society did not know, but they are mainly interested in cameras. I am not giving up and will post the answer here once I find it (if Iive that long).

I do think it is for something with the navy. One reason I think this is the word "zum." I found another 12x60 glass that is marked for the 6 meter rangefinder. I think these were used by the navy. Instead of saying "fur" as on the 4 meter rangefinders, it is also marked "zum." It is a reach, but I will take anything I can get at this point.

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Post by ChrisMAg2 » 02 Oct 2007 04:21

Cool-E wrote:...

... One reason I think this is the word "zum." I found another 12x60 glass that is marked for the 6 meter rangefinder. I think these were used by the navy. Instead of saying "fur" as on the 4 meter rangefinders, it is also marked "zum."...
Well, "zum" does/ can also mean "for/ für".

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Post by stril » 03 Oct 2007 14:08

Hello
There shoudl be a picture of it in the book by Griehl "DAS GROSSE BUCH DER FLAK. DEUTSCHE LUFTVERTEIDIGUNG 1912-1945"
I dont have it in front of me, but perhaps others can look and see if they can find the picture.
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Post by Cool-E » 12 Nov 2007 18:21

stril wrote:Hello
There shoudl be a picture of it in the book by Griehl "DAS GROSSE BUCH DER FLAK. DEUTSCHE LUFTVERTEIDIGUNG 1912-1945"
I dont have it in front of me, but perhaps others can look and see if they can find the picture.
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No go. I bought the book and can't find any reference in it to a "Kibag 40." This is going to be harder than I thought. :cry:

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Post by stril » 14 Nov 2007 14:14

Hello
No go. I bought the book and can't find any reference in it to a "Kibag 40.
My mistake..i forgot about this tread and looked at it, but it was not that book as you say. I found it or something similar in a small booklet(Waffen Arsenal), i mixed them up. The device mentioned is working like you describe above. But its named "schmalfilmgerät" in this boklet not Kibag.It was manufactured by Siemens.It was using film, not photo.
I wouldnt suggest you to buy this booklet, perhaps someone is having it at hand and can send you the actual page. I dont have it at hand for the moment.
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Post by Cool-E » 17 Dec 2007 02:12

stril wrote:Hello
No go. I bought the book and can't find any reference in it to a "Kibag 40.
My mistake..i forgot about this tread and looked at it, but it was not that book as you say. I found it or something similar in a small booklet(Waffen Arsenal), i mixed them up. The device mentioned is working like you describe above. But its named "schmalfilmgerät" in this boklet not Kibag.It was manufactured by Siemens.It was using film, not photo.
I wouldnt suggest you to buy this booklet, perhaps someone is having it at hand and can send you the actual page. I dont have it at hand for the moment.
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http://www.podzun-pallas.de/bilder/artikel/07669.jpg

I don't think that book will help. I have a book in English by the same author with the same front cover and titled "Sound Locators, Fire Control Systems and Searchlights of the German Heavy Flak Units"

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Post by JodelFlieger » 19 Dec 2007 20:58

Hi there
is it for calibrating the existing optical sights to the barrel of the gun,ie, boresighting?
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Post by Cool-E » 20 Dec 2007 13:50

JodelFlieger wrote:Hi there
is it for calibrating the existing optical sights to the barrel of the gun,ie, boresighting?
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I don't know what it's for. That is what I am trying to find out. It just seems odd for the Germans to designate a 12x60 flak glass for use with an item unless that item really existed, but what it is, I have no idea.

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