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Id german optical equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 11 Dec 2008 15:39

Hi all,

Can anydody Id. this german optical heavy equipment? I think that it is some sort of optical AA rangefinder in
a armoured dome, but I am not sure. Sorry for the small size of the photos.

Image from ebay

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Post by tommy303 » 11 Dec 2008 17:29

Although the soldiers are German, the equipment does not appear to be German and could be part of the Maginot line.

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Post by jopaerya » 11 Dec 2008 20:18

Hello

The armored cupola is typical for the heavy Marine Flak command post ,
underneath the armored cupola there was a 6 meter range finder .

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Post by Sturm78 » 11 Dec 2008 21:27

Thanks for your information.

Maybe I should have put the complete images from ebay.

The pictures are of a Marine Flak batterie in Kiel.

What are the guns that appear in the photos? 8.8 or 10.5cm?
Do you know the name of this type of rangefinder?

I suppose that this rangefinder on armoured dome is located on the top of a bunker, no? What type?

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Post by jopaerya » 11 Dec 2008 22:10

Hello Sturm78

(1) gun is very very special 8.8 cm S.K.C/32 in Dopp.L.C/32
(2) range finder is a 6 meter Entfernungsmesser
(3) every Naval flak command bunker ( Leitstand ) could be equiped with this armored cupola .

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Re: Id german optical equipment

Post by Cool-E » 16 Dec 2008 02:32

The small optic they are sitting behind is a 12x60 flak binocular

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Post by Erik E » 16 Dec 2008 21:09

I suppose that this rangefinder on armoured dome is located on the top of a bunker, no? What type?


This device was actually not rated as "armoured", as its actually quite thin... Only works as weather & shrapnell protection and would never survive a direct hit from any artillery.
As far as I know, only on the Fl series of Marine Regelbauten had these, only name I ever came across is "Deckenschützschild für Kommandogeräte xx"
Here is a photo of the last remaining in Norway, further there is atleast one remaining in Poland, one in Denmark and one in sothern France that I know of....

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Re: Id german optical equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 23 Jul 2009 20:11

Hi all,

I found on Ebay these images of a Flak Batterie (I suppose naval) with her optical equipment. The pictures are not very good.... but, could someone identify the battery? With respect to optical equipment, Has anyone any information?
With regard to guns I guess they are 8.8cm SK AA but...

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Re: Id german optical equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Aug 2009 09:09

Hi all,

Nobody?? :(

Well, I hope to have more luck with this issue. Can anyone help me with this optical equipment?

Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Id german optical equipment

Post by Heimatschuss » 18 Aug 2009 12:40

Hello,

Dibujo1.JPG shows a Kinotheodolit (cinetheodolite). For comparison see here http://www.battlefield-travel.com/site/ ... /visionen/

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Post by Sturm78 » 18 Aug 2009 18:18

Thanks for your answer, Torsten.

Kinotheodolit (cinetheodolite) ?? :? Which was the purpose of this device?

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Post by Xavier » 18 Aug 2009 18:29

projector theodolite?
something like todays laser theodolites..I think
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Re: Id german optical equipment

Post by Heimatschuss » 17 Sep 2009 23:12

Hi sturm,

Heimatschuss wrote:Hello,

Dibujo1.JPG shows a Kinotheodolit (cinetheodolite). For comparison see here http://www.battlefield-travel.com/site/ ... /visionen/

Best regards
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basically an enhanced version of the balloon theodolite you had here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=152334&start=18. While balloon theodolites are for observing static or slowly moving objects at high elevation angles cinetheodolites are for observing quickly moving objects at high angles such as planes. For this the target tracking is done by two observers, one for the vertical component and the other one for the horizontal component. The tracking wheels are much bigger in the cinetheodolite because of the higher angular velocity of the target object. Registration of the angles is mostly done photographically in the cinetheodolite while manually was sufficient for the balloon theodolite. If I'm informed correctly there are cinetheodolite versions where the registration could even be triggered remotely to ensure that both theodolites registered their angles at exactly the same time. From the observations of the cinetheodolite you can compute the flight path of a plane, birds, a starting space rocket etc and from that you learn the speed of the target for example.

Best regards
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Re: Id german optical equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Sep 2009 10:01

Hi Torsten,

Thank you very much for your information. Very good explanation!! :D

Regards Sturm78

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Re: Id german optical equipment

Post by MT-LB » 29 Sep 2009 10:13

The other variation was called the Drucktheodolit - looks almost exactly the same as the pictured Kinotheodolit but lacking the optical lens - instead it had a printing mechanism inside and did a print of the coordinates the 2 observers adjusted while keeping track of the object in the air.

Heimatschuss wrote:Hi sturm,

Heimatschuss wrote:Hello,

Dibujo1.JPG shows a Kinotheodolit (cinetheodolite). For comparison see here http://www.battlefield-travel.com/site/ ... /visionen/

Best regards
Torsten


basically an enhanced version of the balloon theodolite you had here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=152334&start=18. While balloon theodolites are for observing static or slowly moving objects at high elevation angles cinetheodolites are for observing quickly moving objects at high angles such as planes. For this the target tracking is done by two observers, one for the vertical component and the other one for the horizontal component. The tracking wheels are much bigger in the cinetheodolite because of the higher angular velocity of the target object. Registration of the angles is mostly done photographically in the cinetheodolite while manually was sufficient for the balloon theodolite. If I'm informed correctly there are cinetheodolite versions where the registration could even be triggered remotely to ensure that both theodolites registered their angles at exactly the same time. From the observations of the cinetheodolite you can compute the flight path of a plane, birds, a starting space rocket etc and from that you learn the speed of the target for example.

Best regards
Torsten

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