German war trains?

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German war trains?

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Post by Blitzkreig » 24 Apr 2003, 18:54

Does anyone know of any sites pertaining to knowledge and descritpions of the german military trains that they employed? i know i have and seen some...some in hollywood movies and others in books and documentaries..but was really usure what sole purpose they provided and what and how much their involvment in the war really was..thanks
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Post by Timo » 24 Apr 2003, 19:53

Mark Dunck has an excellent site:

http://www.panzerzuge.com
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Post by Trommelfeuer » 24 Apr 2003, 21:27

Here you'll find another good source for german armored trains:
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http://www.hans-urban.org/html/panzerzuge-1.html
(...click the photo please..)

(...The source includes a review of armored trains in world war 1 and tells a lot about Wehrmacht armored trains / captured & destroyed armored trains / Panzerspähwagenzüge in world war 2...)

With friendly greetings, Sven
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Post by Trommelfeuer » 24 Apr 2003, 21:45

Here you'll find a good source on Polish Armoured Trains, some were captured by the germans in 1939:
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http://derela.republika.pl/armtrain.htm
(...click the pic please..)

Most interesting part is the Combat use in 1939 for each train. :)

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Post by Eightball » 24 Apr 2003, 22:11

How big were the guns mounted on these trains, and how did the trains itself handle the recoil?
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Post by Trommelfeuer » 24 Apr 2003, 22:22

The armored trains were equipped with varying types of armament and other equipment.

Please check out the sources to get an idea what different guns were mounted / how big they actually were... ;-)

I'd say recoil wasn't a problem for a train weighing hundreds of tons...

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Post by Eightball » 24 Apr 2003, 22:59

Is that a Pz. IV turret on that traincart?
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Post by Trommelfeuer » 25 Apr 2003, 00:38

It's a Panzer III N - turret with "short" 75mm KWK :wink:

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Post by Eightball » 25 Apr 2003, 00:39

Ah, so much for my skill of recognition. :lol:

Thanks for the info.
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Post by Blitzkreig » 25 Apr 2003, 12:00

SO since they captured and made diffrent amount of these battle trains...then where they in a sense hybrids of other units? like coddlbed together things made out in the field? or where they factory produced?
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Post by Timo » 25 Apr 2003, 12:35

Blitzkreig wrote:SO since they captured and made diffrent amount of these battle trains...then where they in a sense hybrids of other units? like coddlbed together things made out in the field? or where they factory produced?
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!!! one more time http://www.panzerzuge.com !!!
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Post by daveh » 25 Apr 2003, 13:22

For a written source try:
Wolfgang Sawodny: German Armoured Trains in WW2 Vol I and II published by Schiffer ISBN 0 88740 198 8 and 0 88740 288 7.

These give some details of the building, equipment and use of German armoured trains as well as captured ones. They are well illustrated and have details of manning levels and armament.
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