Panzerzug 601

[otis68]

Good afternoon. I apologize for my English because I write on this forum using an automatic translator.I am interested in the armored train 601. According to my given he covered the retreat of echelon engineering parts Todd. I will be glad of any information on this train. What equipment could take engineering Todd to cover the train has allocated the train.

[hucks216]

I can't find any mention of '602' in German Armoured Trains by Wolfgang Sawodny. The highest number found in the book is '601'.

[otis68]

Good afternoon. Today I took another look at their materials and were greatly annoyed by his mistake . I'm interested in the train № 601, which accompanied the train with the sapper part, breaking in January 1945. From Deutsch-Eylau in Rosenberg and then to Marienburg.
Why to cover the engineer parts were used train. That this secret may take the engineers from Konigsberg

[hucks216]

Unfortunately the book mentioned above has very little information on '601'. It just states that it was one in a series of trains re-numbered to avoid confusion and that it was in the rear area of 2.Armee north of Warsaw in August 1944. That is the only information in the book.

[otis68]

In the book "Train the troops of Germany 1939-1945". Author - Oberstleutenant background Olzewski, like the former commander of those troops, I found nothing. My data is based on information from the books of memoirs of participants of these events. So Lasch writes about two armored trains in what was königsberg. Russian sources write about one anti-aircraft armored train. There is a report of aviation says about the destruction of the armored train at the station Pavian (Studding).So I'm here with these data generally confused.

[otis68]

Good afternoon. I again with question about armored train. If what information about armored trains which waged fighting on territory East Prussia with 1944 on 1945 year. Especially if there is information on Konigsberg or its surroundings. And one more question. If in the composition of the trains was trolley for transportation heavy cargoes or ad hoc platform for transportation oversized cargoes the this echelon had whether kakuyuto a special labeling in transport documents German Railways.

[Leo Niehorster]

Sawodny has only a few details.

The renumbering ordered on 13 July 1944 was to avoid confusion between "Panzerzug" and "Streckenschutzzug".

He notes as an example [page 155, left column] "... Streckenschutzzüge ... mit den Nummern 601 (in August 1944 im rückwärtigen Gebiet der 2. Armee nördlich von Warschau) ..."

But he indicates it was a new train, not a renumbered one.
   [page 155, right column] "... — beides wohl Nueaufstellungen — ..."

As an aside;
He further notes that the order could not be carried out, and that the ones renumbered received their old numbers. This did not affect No. 601, as it was a new unit.

Source:
  Prof.Dr. Wolfgang Sawodny
  "Die Panzerzüge des Deutschan Reiches, 1905–1945"
  Eisenbah-Kurier, Freiburg, 1996
  ISBN 3-88255-678-1

--
Leo

[otis68]

Good afternoon. Thanks for your clarification.Very interesting data.We will dig this topic further.

[adamb]

Has anything new been discovered on this subject. I am curious about this armored train and its journey from Deutsch-Eylua via Rosenberg, Riesenburg to Marienburg in January 1945.
Greetings

[otis68]

Good afternoon. I apologize for my English. I am from Russia and I write on this forum through an automatic translator. I have to upset you. There is no new data on the route of this train. You can try to search from the other side. It is necessary to find out the number of the part of the Toda unit that left Konigsberg for a day before the complete encirclement. These data can shed light on what the armored train number 601 was doing on the territory of East Prussia.

[robojems]

I apologise for poor English because I use an automatic translator when I write on this site.The armoured train 601 piques my curiosity. My information indicates that he covered Todd's retreat of echelon engineering components. Any information on this train would be appreciated, thanks. What tools engineering Todd could use to cover the train with is what he has assigned.

[FORBIN Yves]

I have impression this symbol is for armored train/Panzerzug can someone tell me please ?

23 Pz Div 21 oct 1943 unknown units .png

[DirkAH]

Hello,

You're correct.

[FORBIN Yves]

Thank you !