Remote control systems in the German Army 1941-1945

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Remote control systems in the German Army 1941-1945

Post by otis68 » 21 Mar 2022 11:04

Good afternoon. I'm from Russia.I apologize for my English. On this forum, I write through a translator. I am studying the issue of the last days of the assault on the city of Konigsberg. While studying the memoirs of the participants of these events, I came across mysterious explosions far behind the Red Army. Sources say about 5 such explosions. And everything is described as an explosion and not an artillery or aviation strike, namely, as an explosion of a building. One of the participants describes it like this. We went to a store on the first floor. Things are all around. mixed with garbage. After checking that there is nothing military, we went outside. They did not have time to move away from the house and 30 meters as an explosion sounded and the building collapsed.The author writes that there was nothing characteristic of a projectile or an aerial bomb. I began to study the issues at the sappers forum and found out that the German industry produced a wide range of detonators, including electric ones.Continuing to study the topic of underground plants and V-2, I found that some German companies were engaged in remote control issues for the V-2 program. In the memoirs about the V-2 , they call Siemens and AEG . That's why I have a question for specialists in both wired communications and radio equipment. Who knows the name of such systems? Were they there at all or not?Can other manufacturers make similar systems?I am interested in these questions because in the last days of the defense of Konigsberg, the SS troops could thus mask/destroy traces of underground structures in different areas of Konigsberg. Indirect confirmation of this version is a large number of photos at the construction stage. The scale of these construction projects is indicated by the fact that narrow-gauge railways were used on an electric boat.

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Re: Remote control systems in the German Army 1941-1945

Post by ewest89 » 21 Mar 2022 17:16

You are confusing two subjects. Fully assembled V-2 rockets did travel along a narrow gauge railroad track. Electronic detonators either require wire or a radio signal. This is not unusual. So destroying buildings at a desired time required a simple command or use of a wire detonator device. The V-2 rocket did have an electronic detonator in the nose section.

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Post by otis68 » 22 Mar 2022 08:36

Good afternoon, I am very sorry that the translator does not correctly convey the meaning of my question. And I say that the German industry was working on remote control systems. That's what I'm interested in. And I learned that such work was carried out by studying materials on the V2 rocket. I know perfectly well how the V2 rocket works, since I have a copy of the documents from the BackFire NARA archive. At the same time, I am inclined to assume that such systems were based on radio control. Indirect confirmation of this is the memoirs of Otto Von Lash. He writes that immediately after the start of artillery training, the wired connection stopped working in the city. And the radio broadcast was clogged with jamming station signals and I could not assess the situation already in the first hours of the storming of the city.

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Re: Remote control systems in the German Army 1941-1945

Post by Hans1906 » 22 Mar 2022 16:09

Otis,

something like a "Remote-Control" was used with the so-called "Fritz X" guided bomb already in the year 1943.

Link: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X

The reader will find references, as well as pictures and videos online, including a lot of nonsense, as almost always... :lol:


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Post by ewest89 » 22 Mar 2022 16:20

Wikipedia can be a start but it does not compare to a comprehensive document search. Fritz-X was an unofficial designation that was not "so-called." Without comprehensive knowledge, any new researcher might accept some "nonsense." Thorough research takes time.

"remote control systems" is a very broad term. Radio transmissions from all sides were constantly monitored and jammed when possible. The Germans also had small armored demolition vehicles that were detonated remotely by radio.

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Post by peeved » 22 Mar 2022 17:03

Luftwaffe at least appears to have planned radio-detonated demolitions:
On 27 April , 1944, Day's troops and their WS helpers got a serious scare in Poltava. While running cables for the electronic packages, the Russian assistant discovered wires leading to a cache of twelve German bombs inside the main (and only surviving) building. The twelve thousand plus pounds of explosives tied into a buried control box two hundred and fifty yards away. The control allowed tor radio detonation of the bomb, using an eighty by twenty yard ground antenna camouflaged in nearby weeds. Aside from indicating that both American and Soviet initial inspections had been cursory, this incident also showed that the Luftwaffe had probably not detected the construction at Poltava,
or they would have flown by to blow their stay-behind mine.
From Reluctant Allies: The United States Army Air Force and the Soviet Voenno Vozdushnie Sily 1941-1945.

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Re: Remote control systems in the German Army 1941-1945

Post by Prosper Vandenbroucke » 15 Apr 2022 21:37

otis68 wrote:
21 Mar 2022 11:04
Good afternoon. I'm from Russia.I apologize for my English. On this forum, I write through a translator. I am studying the issue of the last days of the assault on the city of Konigsberg. While studying the memoirs of the participants of these events, I came across mysterious explosions far behind the Red Army. Sources say about 5 such explosions. And everything is described as an explosion and not an artillery or aviation strike, namely, as an explosion of a building. One of the participants describes it like this. We went to a store on the first floor. Things are all around. mixed with garbage. After checking that there is nothing military, we went outside. They did not have time to move away from the house and 30 meters as an explosion sounded and the building collapsed.The author writes that there was nothing characteristic of a projectile or an aerial bomb. I began to study the issues at the sappers forum and found out that the German industry produced a wide range of detonators, including electric ones.Continuing to study the topic of underground plants and V-2, I found that some German companies were engaged in remote control issues for the V-2 program. In the memoirs about the V-2 , they call Siemens and AEG . That's why I have a question for specialists in both wired communications and radio equipment. Who knows the name of such systems? Were they there at all or not?Can other manufacturers make similar systems?I am interested in these questions because in the last days of the defense of Konigsberg, the SS troops could thus mask/destroy traces of underground structures in different areas of Konigsberg. Indirect confirmation of this version is a large number of photos at the construction stage. The scale of these construction projects is indicated by the fact that narrow-gauge railways were used on an electric boat.
Hello,
Try this link :
https://www.39-45.org/histomag/mag-janvier2010.pdf
On page 18 you will found an article about an explosion of a remote controlled
Borgward IV- SdKfz. 301 Sorry it’s in french language.
Several houses were destroyed, but the germans who fleed the Belgian city of Liège on the afternoon of the 7th September 1944 were trying to destroy several crossroads into the city and thought they were able to stop the American advance, doing so.
In Liège it was with 5 remote controlled Borgward IV- SdKfz. 301
I didn’t know that it was the same engine in the city of Konigsberg.but it's possible
P.S. Sorry for my poor english.
Kindly regards
Prosper :wink: :wink:

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