Inferior German Understanding of Radar...?

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Inferior German Understanding of Radar...?

Post by LAstry2 » 18 Jun 2022 15:40

While the Germans did make an ingenious use of Radar {Kammhuber's Tame Boar} defense against Allied Bombers...why were they so inferior regading Radar used by Allies?
Examples:
4 Month Battle of Britian 1940...failure to knock out the RAF Radar Installitions which would have left the RAF Blind..to German Bomber attacks,,,
Battle of the Atlanticn Allied use of sea radar {Sonor} to track U boats.....the Germans could not figure out why their Subms keep ending up on the bottom of the sea...

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Re: Inferior German Understanding of Radar...?

Post by T. A. Gardner » 18 Jun 2022 19:19

With regards to electronics in general, and radar as well, the Germans were generally on par with other nations up through about the end of 1942. At that point, their industry simply didn't have the R&D capacity, nor the production capacity to keep up. Much of their electronics stagnated in terms of innovation even as they tried hard to improve what they already had in production.

Their industry being blindsided by centimetric and millimeter radar was largely of their own doing. The Japanese had developed both and even beaten the British to a cavity magnetron, but for some reason this wasn't shared with the Germans or the Germans ignored the Japanese in this field. Sure, German engineers and scientists knew you could produce very short wave radar, but what they failed to figure out was a way to produce those waves at useful power levels and due to lack of capacity pushed development aside.

It also didn't help that much of the Nazi leadership were technical illiterates who didn't see the value of new electronics. Göring, for example, once sneered on seeing an early airborne radar set, "Boxes with tubes and wires, who needs them?" With little support from above, and no real program to make this equipment popular and understood by the users, it often languished or was misused in service.

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Re: Inferior German Understanding of Radar...?

Post by ewest89 » 28 Jun 2022 21:32

That is complete nonsense. See Radarkrieg und Nachtluftverteidigung über Berlin 1939 bis 1945 by Helmut Bukowski. There are drawings of advanced German radars to be placed completely in the nose of an aircraft. Later, photos appeared of aircraft with these radars installed. In a few photos the face of a British officer was distorted to thwart identification. British intelligence captured centimetric radars that could be held in the hand. A photo exists of a British intelligence officer holding one. These were intended for the Me 262, to be mounted behind a plastic nose cover.

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Re: Inferior German Understanding of Radar...?

Post by T. A. Gardner » 02 Jul 2022 05:08

ewest89 wrote:
28 Jun 2022 21:32
That is complete nonsense. See Radarkrieg und Nachtluftverteidigung über Berlin 1939 bis 1945 by Helmut Bukowski. There are drawings of advanced German radars to be placed completely in the nose of an aircraft. Later, photos appeared of aircraft with these radars installed. In a few photos the face of a British officer was distorted to thwart identification. British intelligence captured centimetric radars that could be held in the hand. A photo exists of a British intelligence officer holding one. These were intended for the Me 262, to be mounted behind a plastic nose cover.
Got any sources to back up that drivel, or are you going to cite Rider and his conspiracy theory thousand page + work on this too?

It is well documented that the Germans learned about millimeter wave radar from capturing components of a British H2S radar set they code named "Rotterdam." Before that, they didn't recognize that millimeter wave radar was in use by the Allies.
Surprisingly, they also didn't know it was possible even as the Japanese had developed sets ahead of the British. The Japanese problem was they couldn't get one into production.

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