First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Dwight Pruitt » 05 Apr 2022, 07:04

Richard Anderson wrote:
04 Apr 2022, 05:23


That's actually very unfair; I've worked with a lot of smart Pentagon people, including a couple who were certifiably brilliant. This one doesn't meet either of those standards.
My apologies. :)

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 05 Apr 2022, 07:35

Hi williamjpellas and ewest89,

I have six times asked both of you a number of questions (see above) on the Rider material. Rather than answer them you have both avoided replying at all. Consider this the seventh. I ask again that you address them.

It doesn't matter how much material you put up, if you can't or won't either explain, defend or justify it.

Your silence undermines your purpose in putting it up, because it implies it may be indefensible.

The problem here is not the material being put up, but what some of it actually tells us.

Your and Rider's collective position is that the Germans conducted four atomic tests in 1944-45. However, beyond a couple of questionable witness statements that you can't or won't defend, you offer absolutely no evidence of events that should, given their scale and claimed positions, have been witnessed by tens of thousands of people. Furthermore, the fallout would have left contamination on such a scale that it should be easily detectable today, yet there is no indication that it has been.

By selecting the material he has, williamjpellas has made the claimed atomic explosions a litmus test for all Rider's work. However, by refusing to explain, defend or justify it, he also, by default, makes it fail that test.

Cheers,

Sid.


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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Richard Anderson » 05 Apr 2022, 09:16

Dwight Pruitt wrote:
05 Apr 2022, 07:04
Richard Anderson wrote:
04 Apr 2022, 05:23


That's actually very unfair; I've worked with a lot of smart Pentagon people, including a couple who were certifiably brilliant. This one doesn't meet either of those standards.
My apologies. :)
:lol:
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:21

Yes it was!
Here you can see for the first time the nuclear test area of Ohrdruf shortly after the Diebner test.
This test took place at 04.03.1945 21:30

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:29

A second detailed picture. All these pictures come from official air reconnaissance photos of the USA, England and USSR.
The pictures were taken shortly after the nuclear test took place.
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:30

Here a general overview of the entire site this was taken when the allies had taken over the Ohrdruf army testground, they blasted
the concrete generator bunker next to the nuclear crater in pieces
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:40

Here the entire Ohrdurf site including the MUNA Crawinkel, there the Americans captured an entire nuclear bomb that was stored in a railway wagon:
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:43

The second (smaller) nuclear test (with no explosion victims) took place at 12.03 1945 22:15 in the so called triangle area of Ohrdruf army test field:
The later US davy crocket nuclear field weapon was of similar reduced tactical strength:
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:46

Here a soviet russian air picture from 1953 that shows the same place:
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:52

Most intersting is the Diebner lab and test shelter with the round structure around it.
And also the interconnected concrete shelters behind it.
This round structure around Diebners lab was not a simple earthwall, it contained a large copper cable structure that might be a kind of radioation shield or part of a Betatron.
All other buildings thate were not made of concrete were demaged by the nuclear explosion that was much stronger than expected.
around 600 russian prisoners of the nearby KZ Ohrdruf and dozens of SS men and workers in the barracks and lab buildings also died.
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:53

Here the same lab structure from behind:
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:55

Here the same lab area in a soviet air picture from 1953, the ring and the lab was removed, the burned area of the damaged former SS Barracks is still visible: Image
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 20:57

The body burning site near the test field:
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 21:12

We also have an air picture of the Arnstadt Polte 2 ICBM silo taken at 16.03.1945 the same day (some hours before) the so called Skoda V101 (V4) multi stage solid fuel rocket startet sucessfully to its first unarmed test flight over North Norway into the Polar region (radio guided). The large silo is completely underground the steel lid is closed. The black spot is water from a test of the water cooling system in the cooling tower that was placed over the underground silo. This was the first missile underground silo ever built. Thos was constructed by the MAKO Ichtershausen boiler and chemical autoclave construction company Arnstadt. Image
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Post by Schlappgug » 08 Apr 2022, 21:28

Here a photo after the rocket was launched at 16.03.1945 22:00
(this photo is from 22.03.1945) , now you can see burned black soil around the water spot!
Where the soil was sucked with water it did not burn during the start.
The next planned step was firing another V101 (V4) on Moscow armed with a Diebner 10KT Uranium 235 warhead but that did not happen because most engineers and even Speer refused. A few days later the americans took over the place.

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