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Re: Dunkirk

Post by B Hellqvist » 06 May 2017 09:47

New trailer out!



It's impossible to tell whether the planes are real or CGI - they seem to have got the physics right this time.

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by Takao » 16 May 2017 20:26

3 Spitfires and a Hispano Buchon were used in filming. From what I have read a good number of large scale R/C aircraft were used as well.

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Re: Dunkirk

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by Natter » 19 Jul 2017 19:44

B Hellqvist wrote:It's impossible to tell whether the planes are real or CGI - they seem to have got the physics right this time.
Well... The Spitfire glide-sequence was not very convincing :-/

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by JustinG » 21 Jul 2017 06:21

Well, I got the opportunity to see it this evening a day before it's US release date. I was impressed. It jumped around from point of view to point of view with all of it evolving to climatic and well done end. I would have preferred to have seen the speech that Sir. Winston Churchill gave to the house of commons in his own voice instead of the character. But a good piece. If you are watching trying to spot the historical inaccuracies, then you will not be able to enjoy this.

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by Michael Dorosh » 23 Jul 2017 23:02

Didn't like it, though the Stuka screams were well done.

I do have a question about the He 111 sequences. I noticed in the Enemy at the Gates film also that the He 111 is depicted in films dropping bombs from very low altitude. In this movie, the bomber is on a solo run with two escorts.

Was this actually the way things were done? I've seen some references to the Condor Legion where it talks about solo bomb runs, and from low altitude to maximize accuracy, just curious if this is accurate for the Second World War?

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by Michael Dorosh » 23 Jul 2017 23:03

JustinG wrote: I would have preferred to have seen the speech that Sir. Winston Churchill gave to the house of commons in his own voice instead of the character.
Agreed - interestingly, the trailer right before the showing I was at showed Gary Oldman as Winston Churchill in a film set during the 1940 period and I think even delivers that same speech. Apparently there are TWO Churchill movies coming out this year, one with Oldman, and one that has already been released, about Churchill and Eisenhower just before D-Day (with Brian Cox playing Churchill).

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by Gamle Lode » 24 Jul 2017 19:37

Quite a realistic movie. I mean, no Hollywood cheese and no predictable plot. Some things I didn't find that pleasing was that the scale of the film seemed to portray only a fraction of the actual event. The soldiers standing on the beach hardly numbered anything like 300,000 and of course there was too few planes and ships. (I understand though, nobody can recreate such circumstances as in Dunkirk as a movie ever)

The air warfare bits were pretty good, though maybe the RAF pilots were given a little extra heroic boost. The leader breaks the VIC formation and lets his ace wingmen fly their own way. And when shot down, the pilots are not nearly as shaken as the land troopers - oh yes, the fighter pilots were probably always some chosen men, but I couldn't just avoid seeing the contrast.

I did like Dunkirk as a whole. Best war film since decades, and that should say a lot.

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Post by Gamle Lode » 24 Jul 2017 19:41

Michael Dorosh wrote:Didn't like it, though the Stuka screams were well done.

I do have a question about the He 111 sequences. I noticed in the Enemy at the Gates film also that the He 111 is depicted in films dropping bombs from very low altitude. In this movie, the bomber is on a solo run with two escorts.

Was this actually the way things were done? I've seen some references to the Condor Legion where it talks about solo bomb runs, and from low altitude to maximize accuracy, just curious if this is accurate for the Second World War?
I don't think a He-111 had much chance of hitting a smaller vessel at low altitude. Maybe the explanation is, that we just don't have many LW planes available to do that. It just looks cooler with a real Heinkel than with some fake CGI stuka.

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by OpanaPointer » 24 Jul 2017 19:44

The troops dove on the bread and jam like true GIs.
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Re: Dunkirk

Post by Michael Dorosh » 24 Jul 2017 19:46

Gamle Lode wrote:The air warfare bits were pretty good, though maybe the RAF pilots were given a little extra heroic boost.
ya think? ;-)

Shooting down an enemy plane in air combat was a fairly rare event when compared to total number of sorties flown (I think something like 60% of the British fighter pilots in the Battle of Britain never managed to do it even once). In films, Dunkirk no exception, just landing in the gunsights of a protagonist is enough to ensure that you're going down, and in such a way that the audience and the hero both know you've been bested.

It was nice not to see CGI filling the sky with planes though, and the air to air shots could have been 1944 gun camera footage. Special effects were spot on.

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by Gamle Lode » 24 Jul 2017 19:54

We see air combat films so rarely, that we need to allow the film pilots to hit their targets. They also very carefully targeted the engines of the He-111's, and didn't go wasting all their rounds firing at the fuselage. In the VIC formation the wingmen should stay near to their leader, and attack the same target as him. The pilots as qualified as these, should all command their own VIC's.

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by OpanaPointer » 24 Jul 2017 22:22

Michael Dorosh wrote:
Gamle Lode wrote:The air warfare bits were pretty good, though maybe the RAF pilots were given a little extra heroic boost.
ya think? ;-)

Shooting down an enemy plane in air combat was a fairly rare event when compared to total number of sorties flown (I think something like 60% of the British fighter pilots in the Battle of Britain never managed to do it even once). In films, Dunkirk no exception, just landing in the gunsights of a protagonist is enough to ensure that you're going down, and in such a way that the audience and the hero both know you've been bested.

It was nice not to see CGI filling the sky with planes though, and the air to air shots could have been 1944 gun camera footage. Special effects were spot on.
I didn't see any such "sure kills".
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Re: Dunkirk

Post by Michael Dorosh » 24 Jul 2017 23:39

OpanaPointer wrote:I didn't see any such "sure kills".
Too bad, they were spectacular.

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Re: Dunkirk

Post by OpanaPointer » 25 Jul 2017 00:06

Michael Dorosh wrote:
OpanaPointer wrote:I didn't see any such "sure kills".
Too bad, they were spectacular.
I'll see it again and get back. I do remember the pilot who had to walk home taking quite a while to get a kill.
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