Ending battle in Saving Private Ryan...historicaly accurate?

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Ending battle in Saving Private Ryan...historicaly accurate?

Post by T.R.Searle » 26 Aug 2002 23:55

Is the ending battle in "Saving Private Ryan" the real historicaly accurate battle of Romel or Romelle or however it is spelt? I mean it was 10-20 Amaricans against 1-2 Kompanies of infantry and heavy tanks and a few W-SS mixed in and they take almost all of them out. Unless that did happen and it was one of those amazing battles that I never heard about before in my life.

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Post by Logan Hartke » 26 Aug 2002 23:56

Ramelle - and it was fiction.

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Post by Romulus » 27 Aug 2002 00:39

Nothing but fantasy from one of hollywood's "top" directors. The SS division is the 2nd SS, if you look they all have shaved heads too. I think that any waffen-ss division(especially an elite one like Das Reich) would roll over those undisciplined american cowboys would go through them like a hot knife through butter.

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Post by Caldric » 27 Aug 2002 00:49

Nothing but fantasy from one of hollywood's "top" directors. The SS division is the 2nd SS, if you look they all have shaved heads too. I think that any waffen-ss division(especially an elite one like Das Reich) would roll over those undisciplined american cowboys would go through them like a hot knife through butter.


Why did they not do it at the battle of the Bulge then when they were stopped cold by an "undisciplined" inferior US division? Maybe because the SS is way over-rated?

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Post by T.R.Searle » 27 Aug 2002 00:55

maby becasue they ran out of gas. And I dont mean that in a mean,sarcastic tone.

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Post by Romulus » 27 Aug 2002 00:58

I was bieng sarcastic too about the cowboy thing.

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Post by Caldric » 27 Aug 2002 00:59

What does that have to do with places like "Parker's Crossroads" Sir Manstein?

Or Bastogne? They run out of fuel there to?


http://www.trabel.com/bastogne/bastogne ... stogne.htm
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Post by Smert-Fashistam » 27 Aug 2002 00:59

the final battlle sequence (i.e. just as Hanks is about to be killed by Tiger tank, the bomb drops on it) among other things is pure hollywood, although I was really influenced by the scene were the German soldier cuts jewish soldier's throat. however the rest of the movie is fairly realistic

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Post by Rob S. » 27 Aug 2002 01:09

No. You do not see a single MG42 at the end battle, yet German squads were based on machine-guns being supported by rifle fire.

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Post by Romulus » 27 Aug 2002 01:10

Smert-Fashistam wrote:the final battlle sequence (i.e. just as Hanks is about to be killed by Tiger tank, the bomb drops on it) among other things is pure hollywood, although I was really influenced by the scene were the German soldier cuts jewish soldier's throat. however the rest of the movie is fairly realistic
He didn't cut his throat, he stabbed it through his lungs or heart it looked like.

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Ramelle.

Post by gabriel pagliarani » 27 Aug 2002 01:24

Dear Sirs,
you are all wrong. The fact in Ramelle happened really, but it was the Allied air power the only to stop the 2nd Pz.Dv!And the same thing occurred in Bastogne ect. ect. In a really modern war tanks and heavy armoured vehicles are only meat-loaf containers. The only mismatching is in the planes involved (P-47D instead of P-51) This fact has been reported in another old movie too "The last damned bridge" (translation from italian, I don't know the real title) by Cornelius Ryan. When Feldmarschal Gen. Model moves on chart the 2nd SS Pz.Dv. from France to s' Hertogenbosch (closest forest to the last bridge oh Rheine) he said the SS had to cure the injuries of Ramelle... but the dialogue in movies is different as the languages.
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Post by Caldric » 27 Aug 2002 01:27

There was not air cover for either side at Bastogne.

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Not exactly.

Post by gabriel pagliarani » 27 Aug 2002 01:49

Sir Caldric,
I suggest you to watch another beatiful movie: "Patton, general of steel" ( I don't know the english title)in wich it is emphatized how the Lord, after his long praying, changed the weather on the battlefield a minute before 101 Air borne Dv "Screaming Eagle" was erased! For the story, without emphasy, it is a fact that the air power changed only in half a day the written destiny of 101Dv. Patton was the real winner of the struggle for Ardennes only by Air Power.

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Post by Mike R » 27 Aug 2002 02:50

Gabriel, I believe the movie "The Last Damned Bridge" is what most of us know as "A Bridge Too Far". :wink:

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Probably you are right

Post by gabriel pagliarani » 27 Aug 2002 12:38

I think you are right: that movie was one of the fewest historically correct in any detail because the author was an appreciated historician. The operation described had the code-name "Market-Garden", better known as the Allied air invasion of Holland performed by Montgomery.

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