Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

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Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Melax » 04 Aug 2022 18:05

Hi,

just a little question (I hope it is nothing complicated)

had "Offiziere im Armeestand" the same Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe as the unit they were assigned to?

example: would this also be the Rangabzeichen for a Hauptmann im Armeestand at a Feldjägerbataillon? :
zz - Dienstgrade - Offz - 03 - Hauptmann.png
or were there different colors? additions to the Schulterklappe?

thanks a lot :)

Alexander

EDIT: also: the same for Proviantoffizier, Oberleutnantrechnungsführer etc - any differences in color/insignia?
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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Markgraf » 04 Aug 2022 19:28

Dress uniforms:

Proviantoffizier:

Hut mit schwarzem Federbusch, dunkelbrauner Rock mit lichtblauer Egalisierung und weißen glatten Knöpfen, blaugraue Pantalons mit lichtblauem Passopoil, Mantel hechtgrau.

Truppenrechnungsführer-Offizier:

Hut mit schwarzem Federbusch, dunkelgrüner Rock mit lichtblauer Egalisierung und weißen glatten Knöpfen, blaugraue Pantalons mit lichtblauem Passepoil, Mantel hechtgrau.

Armeestand:

Hut mit schwarzem Federbusch, schwarzer Rock mit scharlachroter Egalisierung und gelben glatten Knöpfen, blaugraue Pantalons mit scharlachrotem Passepoil, Mantel hechtgrau.

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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Melax » 04 Aug 2022 19:54

Hi Markgraf,

thank you - so just to understand this, this would be an Oberleutnantproviantoffizier right?

sorry, but the military terms are just so confusing so I don't know if I am thinking this right

zz - Dienstgrade - Offz - P02 - Oberleutnant Proviantoffizier.png
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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Frech » 05 Aug 2022 05:49

Melax wrote:
04 Aug 2022 18:05
Hi,

just a little question (I hope it is nothing complicated)

had "Offiziere im Armeestand" the same Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe as the unit they were assigned to?

example: would this also be the Rangabzeichen for a Hauptmann im Armeestand at a Feldjägerbataillon? :

zz - Dienstgrade - Offz - 03 - Hauptmann.png

or were there different colors? additions to the Schulterklappe?

thanks a lot :)

Alexander

EDIT: also: the same for Proviantoffizier, Oberleutnantrechnungsführer etc - any differences in color/insignia?
Officers of the Armeestand were not designated to an unit like batallion or regiment. They were "im Stand" of an own "Konkretualstandesgruppe". This was called "Armeestand" (similar to Generalstab, Geniestab or Artilleriestab). There were three groups of officers in the Armeestand. Some of them were allocated to a local command (Lokalanstellung) or to schools as teacherrs or to higher commands as academic specialists.

You will find more details here: https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/ ... 0&layout=s

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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Melax » 05 Aug 2022 07:46

Thanks Christian,

all of this is much more complicated than I thought ... well, an other thing learned :)

thanks Christian :)

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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Frech » 05 Aug 2022 08:31

@ Alexander: I am learning for 45 years now and there is no end...

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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Markgraf » 06 Aug 2022 18:33

Frech wrote:
05 Aug 2022 05:49

Officers of the Armeestand were not designated to an unit like batallion or regiment.
And what about the Magazinsoffiziers? Some of them were in Armeestand.

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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Melax » 06 Aug 2022 19:29

Markgraf wrote:
06 Aug 2022 18:33
Frech wrote:
05 Aug 2022 05:49

Officers of the Armeestand were not designated to an unit like batallion or regiment.
And what about the Magazinsoffiziers? Some of them were in Armeestand.
For the FJB 1, the Magazinoffizier was a "Hauptmann im Armeestand" and I found him in the list Frech had mentioned.

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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Frech » 07 Aug 2022 06:21

Markgraf wrote:
06 Aug 2022 18:33
Frech wrote:
05 Aug 2022 05:49

Officers of the Armeestand were not designated to an unit like batallion or regiment.
And what about the Magazinsoffiziers? Some of them were in Armeestand.
Magazinsoffiziere were the exeption. In general they were the only one officers in a regiment or independent bataillon who belonged to the Armeestand or were retired officers (in Lokalanstellung), but were not "im Stand" of this unit.

Source: J. Schmid, Heerwesen - 2. Teil. Österreich-Ungarn. Lehr- und Lernbehelf für Militärerziehungs- und Bildungsanstalten. Selbstverlag, Wien 1914. Pg. 223.

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Re: Offizier im Armeestand - Rangabzeichen/Waffenfarbe

Post by Markgraf » 09 Aug 2022 19:54

Frech wrote:
07 Aug 2022 06:21
retired officers (in Lokalanstellung), but were not "im Stand" of this unit.
It is interesting for me, because - as far as I know - the retired Magazinsoffiziers wore the unit's uniform. Probably was a customary law :)

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