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Austrian interest in Wotan?

Post by KampfgruppeMeyer » 06 Aug 2003 07:06

i have read books saying that Hitler, an Austrian, loved nordic Gods and Wagner Opera. Was this love for Wotan and Loki and the other gods widespred in Austria around 1900's to 1940's?

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Post by Galicia » 06 Aug 2003 09:15

I have no idea about Hitler, that's something you should probably ask in the Axis Biography Board, but I can explain a bit about 1900's Germany/Austria and the occult.

Most of the "old world" aristocracy and were devoutly catholic. They highly disaproved of things like, "Mummy Wrappings," (where they would desecrate an Egyptian's body for fun), It's closer to an emergence in a German and Austrian National Identity. No one really cared for these "Gods." Plus they were pretty out of style by the 1930's when Art Deco and the Age of Wagner had died out.

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Post by KampfgruppeMeyer » 07 Aug 2003 06:42

thanks

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Re: Austrian interest in Wotan?

Post by Ostmark » 12 Aug 2003 13:56

KampfgruppeMeyer wrote:i have read books saying that Hitler, an Austrian, loved nordic Gods and Wagner Opera. Was this love for Wotan and Loki and the other gods widespred in Austria around 1900's to 1940's?

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Im not really sure what you mean with "an Austrian". The continental Germanic tribes shared the same gods, but with different names, with the Germanic tribes setteling Scandinavia. The only difference was that the 'southern' parts of Europe (Austria incl.) was christianized much earlier and became more romanized.

To answer yer question simply i must say no. Austria was and still is a pretty "hardcore" catholic nation. It wasnt probably love that drove some people to get fascinated about the Germanic mythology, but probably a search for "roots" if u know what i mean?

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Post by GenLtGermanicus » 13 Sep 2003 21:33

they, the austrian nazis, couldn't believe in the old mythology, because this one is totally contrary to the nazi-beliefs

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Post by Nagelfar » 19 Nov 2003 10:19

GenLtGermanicus wrote:they, the austrian nazis, couldn't believe in the old mythology, because this one is totally contrary to the nazi-beliefs


not necessarily, there was plenty of interest in Germanic folklore within the Nazi party, especially in the SS. Hitler wrote a poem about 'Wotan' during WWI even, and what defines Nazism any more than the man who changed the name of the 'German Workers Party' to the 'National Socialist German Workers Party'?

Guido von List would probably be the main source for Austrian interest in Wotanism around that era, he used the symbol of the Swastika as well, and associated place names to the old Germanic gods.

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Post by Oberst Mihael » 22 Nov 2003 20:16

Odin? No way, not in Austro-Hungary anyway... it was devoutly catholic, of course you always have non-believers, but they were just that - atheists.

If I speak for the A-H Slovenes atleast, they were as catholic back then as they ever were before or after... I would imagine the other nations being the same.

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Post by Gyenes » 23 Nov 2003 20:36

Hitler played on the Germans love for Wagner operas to give a sense of "heavenly" look to the Aryan and Nazi cause. :)

Note: Meant as joke, because honestly I am not sure, but then again anything is possibly such as the poster of Hitler in Knights armour. I believe everyone has seen that.

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Post by Galicia » 25 Nov 2003 00:35

I believe he looks like a right idiot in armor.

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Re: Austrian interest in Wotan?

Post by Hötzendorf » 13 Dec 2003 19:56

KampfgruppeMeyer wrote:i have read books saying that Hitler, an Austrian, loved nordic Gods and Wagner Opera. Was this love for Wotan and Loki and the other gods widespred in Austria around 1900's to 1940's?

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Wotan? Loki?

I guess that Loki must be Loke, but who the hell is this Wotan guy? :)

As a swede, i consider myself to have pretty good knowledge on old Northern Mythologi.

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Post by agibaer » 14 Dec 2003 21:38

Wotan is another name for Odin, the highest Ase (nordic gods) and Loki is the badguy. Don't know if the names are different in swedish.

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Post by Gwynn Compton » 15 Dec 2003 21:47

Wotan, often called Wodan as well, is also associated with the Wild Hunt in Northern Europe.

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Re: Austrian interest in Wotan?

Post by LAH Pz Grenadiere » 17 Dec 2003 19:14

Hötzendorf wrote:
KampfgruppeMeyer wrote:i have read books saying that Hitler, an Austrian, loved nordic Gods and Wagner Opera. Was this love for Wotan and Loki and the other gods widespred in Austria around 1900's to 1940's?

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Wotan? Loki?

I guess that Loki must be Loke, but who the hell is this Wotan guy? :)

As a swede, i consider myself to have pretty good knowledge on old Northern Mythologi.


Loki was a nordic Goddess of sex as far as I know.

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Re: Austrian interest in Wotan?

Post by agibaer » 17 Dec 2003 20:54

LAH Pz Grenadiere wrote:Loki was a nordic Goddess of sex as far as I know.

You must mistake that with some japanese porn anime, they all have names like that. :P


Loki was half god/half giant and was accepted fully as a god because he made brothers of blood (Blutsbrüder, don't know the english word) with Odin/Wotan. He was one of the gods that built Asgard, the home of the nordic gods. He is liked and disliked by other gods because he is intriguing and gets the gods often in severe trouble. A good example for his bad reputation: Christians sayed he was lucifer.

Odin is the highest god. he is referred to as Wotan(Wodan) in southern germany and austria.

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Post by Malbork » 06 Feb 2004 11:05

LAH Pz Grenadiere wrote:

Loki was a nordic Goddess of sex as far as I know.

You must mistake that with some japanese porn anime, they all have names like that.


Agibär's right.

Loki is the Trickster in Norse mythology and although according to the stories he was a prolific lover he never made it to the God (or Goddess) of sex!

Some more info, including various spellings of his name and list of his unfortunate wives can be found on site called http://www.godchecker.com for those interested.

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