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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » 29 Jan 2004 17:52

The Good Soldier Švejk?

/Marcus

agibaer · Post by **agibaer** » 29 Jan 2004 18:33

No... there are movies bout him though, starring Peter Alexander

robert

Orok · Post by **Orok** » 29 Jan 2004 20:28

Orok · Post by **Orok** » 30 Jan 2004 14:42

Hi robert,

Please give us some clue or a new quiz. I don't want to see this interesting quiz thread get stuck.

With all respect I believe most of the members who frequent this forum are interested in military related subjects. so please do forgive our total ignorance of A-H salon trivia!

My Best Regards!

agibaer · Post by **agibaer** » 30 Jan 2004 16:08

Ok your right

It would have been Graf Bobby

New Question:
What unit is this tschako from?

robert

Glenn2438 · Post by **Glenn2438** » 30 Jan 2004 17:21

Robert,

my initial identification would be a shako of a Rittmeister from Honvéd-Hussar Regiment 5, 8, 9 or 10. However if this is the case it is unusual in having braid on the peak which hussar officers normally did not wear.

Regards
Glenn

agibaer · Post by **agibaer** » 30 Jan 2004 22:24

You're right, Honved Husar NR. 9. I'm sorry I don't understand the term braid. I copied the picture some time ago from an austrian auction site.

robert

Orok · Post by **Orok** » 30 Jan 2004 22:56

Glenn,

There is a color plate in Barcy and Somogyi's book Magyar Huszarok showing a Major of the K.u.K Husar Regiment Nr. 8 in dress uniform, who has two gold braids on his shako peak (page 69, figure 3).

So perhaps the field officers have two braids and the captains and subalterns have one?

I don't have The Emperor's Coat so I don't know what that book has to say on this.

Best Regards!

Glenn2438 · Post by **Glenn2438** » 31 Jan 2004 10:02

Robert and Orok,

the rank braid (Borte) around the body of the cap is not the problem. That is the correct pattern for a Rittmeister as in this case. However, hussar officers wore a plain peak (visor) without any braid. Below is an illustration from the dress regulations showing shako rank "Borte".

Regards
Glenn

Glenn2438 · Post by **Glenn2438** » 31 Jan 2004 10:37

Below is a portrait of a famous very senior WW1 central powers commander pictured as the regimental-proprietor of "his" field howitzer regiment. Who is he?

Regards
Glenn

Orok · Post by **Orok** » 31 Jan 2004 14:20

Glenn2438 wrote:Robert and Orok,

the rank braid (Borte) around the body of the cap is not the problem. That is the correct pattern for a Rittmeister as in this case. However, hussar officers wore a plain peak (visor) without any braid. Below is an illustration from the dress regulations showing shako rank "Borte".

Regards
Glenn

Glenn,

Thank you for your reply and diagrams!

I know the system of shako rank Borte around the top of the cap body. However I was not talking about it, I was indeed talking about the braids on the peak (visor). I do not have a scanner so can't post a picture of it, but the plate I mentioned indeed show two braids, just as the one braid shown in robert's photo, on the visor, in addition to the three braids around the shako body for a staff officer.

I don't know if this depiction is accurate but I don't expect to see a lot of mistakes in one of Barcy & Somogyi's books either!

Best regards!

Glenn2438 · Post by **Glenn2438** » 31 Jan 2004 14:43

Hi Orok,

see below another Barcy & Somogyi plate of a Major of Honvéd Hussar Regiment Nr. 3. Note not only the lack of visor lace but also the lack of the narrow cord around the base of the body. This is also confirmed in "The Emperor's coat" with the common army hussar regiments. By the way, get the "The Emperor's coat" - a beautiful book.

Regards
Glenn

Orok · Post by **Orok** » 31 Jan 2004 14:53

Glenn,

Thanks for the picture.

The plate I mentioned is the only one in the whole book that shows the visor braids, all the other numerous illustrations all show shakos with plain visors, and without the narrow double cord around the base - which BTW is also clearly shown in the plate I mentioned.

BTW is the picture from the book Kiralyert es Hazaert?

I have had the Coat book on my pull list for a long time but havn't budget out that amount of cash for it!

Best Regards!

Glenn2438 · Post by **Glenn2438** » 31 Jan 2004 15:03

Hi Orok,

yes that is part of a plate from "Királyert és Hazáért". Excellent for detail on the little known pre WW1 Honvéd stuff.

Recognised the "Oberst" yet

Regards
Glenn

Orok · Post by **Orok** » 31 Jan 2004 15:07

Glenn2438 wrote:Below is a portrait of a famous very senior WW1 central powers commander pictured as the regimental-proprietor of "his" field howitzer regiment. Who is he?

Regards
Glenn

Isn't he Generalfeldmarschall Maximilian Joseph Maria Arnulf Leopold Prinz von Bayern, Commander in Chief of the Eastern Front from August 1916 until January 1919?

Best Regards!

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