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Post by hauptmannn » 23 Feb 2004 12:56

Amazing!! :D

This was what i was looking for! thank you dead cat!

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Post by Gyenes » 24 Feb 2004 00:05

dead-cat wrote:i found following figures:

http://www.uc3m.es/uc3m/dpto/HISEC/EHES ... hultze.pdf

GDP/ Capita (1990 Intl. $) in 1913:

UK: 5,032
Germany: 3,647
France: 3,452
Italy 2,507
Austria-Hungary: 2,008
Russia 1,488

a few non-great powers as comparision:

Switzerland 4,207
Belgium 4,130
Netherlands 3,950
Denmark 3,764
Sweden 3,096


Kind of misleading isn't it. Doesn't really lead you to believe Austria-Hungary (and some of the other so-called great powers) to be called a great power.

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Post by dead-cat » 24 Feb 2004 09:23

not if you keep in mind the relative sizes.
Luxemburg has a higher GDP/capita than Germany.

it's easier to keep a small country in shape. that's why i'm all for federalism.

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Post by Gyenes » 24 Feb 2004 21:48

True, what is Luxembourg's GDP today isn't somewhere in the ($)40 000's?

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Post by hauptmannn » 28 Feb 2004 16:46

Kind of misleading isn't it. Doesn't really lead you to believe Austria-Hungary (and some of the other so-called great powers) to be called a great power.


If you had some more knowledge of per capita income you would know that that most of the superpowers today (those that have permanent seats in the UN Security Council and Veto power) are much lower that several smaller countries. And if we follow your logic, are you suggesting that Luxembourg is a super power?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

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Post by Gwynn Compton » 29 Feb 2004 08:13

Better watch out, those folks from Luxembourg might get uppity and demand a veto to go with their new found superpower status :D

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Post by hauptmannn » 29 Feb 2004 11:50

Better watch out, those folks from Luxembourg might get uppity and demand a veto to go with their new found superpower status

:lol: :lol:

Bermuda will also demand a seat in the Security Council and full veto power! :D

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Post by Karl » 02 Mar 2004 13:37

This may also be of interest:

Total Population of the Powers 1913 (millions)

Russia 175.1
United States 97.3
Germany 66.9
Austria-Hungary 52.1
Japan 51.3
France 39.7
Britain 45.6
Italy 35.1

Urban Population of the Powers (in millions) and as Percentage of the Total Population 1913

Britain 15.8 (34.6%)
United States 22.5 (23.1%)
Germany 14.1 (21.0%)
France 5.9 (14.8%)
Russia 12.3 (7.0%)
Italy 4.1 (11.6%)
Japan 6.6 (12.8%)
Austria Hungary 4.6 (8.8%)

Per Capita Levels of Industrialization 1913 (relative to GB 1900 = 100)

Great Britain 115
United States 126
France 59
Germany 85
Italy 26
Austria 32
Russia 20
Japan 20

Energy Consumption of the Powers 1913 (in millions of metric tons of coal equivalent)

United States 541
Britain 195
Germany 187
France 62.5
Austria-Hungary 49.4
Russia 54
Japan 23
Italy 11

Total Industrial Potential of the Powers in Relative Perspective (GB in 1900 = 100) 1913

Britain 127.2
United States 298.1
Germany 137.7
France 57.3
Russia 76.6
Austria-Hungary 40.7
Italy 22.5
Japan 25.1

Relative Shares of World Manufacturing Output 1913 (per cent)

Britain 13.6
United States 32.0
Germany 14.8
France 6.1
Russia 8.2
Austria-Hungary 4.4
Italy 2.4

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[Totekatze: I regret to say that I have no idea where the conversion rates that you requested are right now.]


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Post by hauptmannn » 02 Mar 2004 14:12

That is a lot of interesting information! Thank you Karl this is excellent for comparing the powers of europe before ww1 :D

How did you obtain such good material?

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Post by Gyenes » 02 Mar 2004 20:11

I thought the French population to be a little higher but still the info is excellent. well done. thank you

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Post by Karl » 04 Mar 2004 00:51

Your welcome.

Source: Kennedy, P. The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. Fontana Press, 1990.

Gyenes: what are your French population figures?

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Post by agibaer » 04 Mar 2004 08:04

Karl wrote:This may also be of interest:

Total Population of the Powers 1913 (millions)

Russia 175.1
United States 97.3
Germany 66.9
Austria-Hungary 52.1
Japan 51.3
France 39.7
Britain 45.6
Italy 35.1




Germany only 67 million? 8O How did they come to a 80 million in WW2 with losing territory in ww1 as well?

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Post by dead-cat » 04 Mar 2004 09:15

because, other than before WW1, Austrian population and German population in Bohemia was counted as well.

the figures are correct as far i can tell, i've seen them quoted in many diffrent sources too, only the russian population i'm not sure about, i read something in the range of 140 million, but oh well...

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Post by Karl » 04 Mar 2004 09:22

agibaer,

Total Population Germany (in millions) 1890 – 1938

1890 49.2
1900 56.0
1910 64.5
1913 66.9
1920 42.8
1928 55.4
1938 68.5

Notes from the same source indicate that these ‘Figures taken from the ‘Correlates of War’ print-out data made available through the Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research at the University of Michigan.

I guess with all that unemployment… :wink:

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Post by Karl » 04 Mar 2004 09:29

Yeah as dead-cat pointed out, Austria became part of Germany in 38 so that is added to Germany’s total.

I double-checked the Russian figures and I re-confirm.

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