Habsburg Archdukes in Military Service

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Post by beauregard61 » 01 Apr 2004 11:45

Hi and thanks to all.
Aah it's regiment 15 von Zach at Aspern. The picture is perhaps a bit too perfect as I have read somewhere that (most of?) the "german" regiments had still the old Kaskett at Aspern but shakos look not that old fashioned.
The way Charles wears his golden fleece is interesting too.
About the flags I'm not sure but there was also a picture of the holy Mary at one side (?) or at a different flag (Leibfahne).
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Post by Orok » 01 Apr 2004 13:36

John,

The one with Virgin Mary is the Leibfahne or Colonel's Flag, it's back ground is white and each regiment had but one and carried by the first battalion of the regiment. All other battalions carried one Ordinärfahne or Regimental Colors, its color is yellow and both sides have the same double eagle motif. Archduke Charles is carrying an Ordinärfahne in the picture.

Below are photographs of the Leibfahne of IR 96, formerly Grenz IR 7, preserved in the Croatian History Museum in Zagreb. It is a Model 1859.

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Post by Orok » 01 Apr 2004 13:40

John,

Another example of a Leibfahne, showing a different version of the Virgin.

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Post by Orok » 01 Apr 2004 13:46

John,

Three models of the Odinärfahne the Austrian infantry regiments used during the Napoleonic Wars.

BTW I forgot to mention that the second Leibfahne I posted just above is a Model 1806.

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Post by Orok » 01 Apr 2004 13:52

Moderators,

Can you please split this thread and make the flag part a separate thread?

This part has nothing to do with pictures of Archdukes! :lol:

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Post by beauregard61 » 02 Apr 2004 11:07

Ahh, 1 flag for each battaillon! 8O
Btw, it ist right that the flame-like edges are older, I mean 30 years war?
I know a similar pattern was used in the silesian wars but the time before is still a bit gloomy for me.
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Post by Orok » 02 Apr 2004 16:48

Hi John,

You are right about the Seven Years War, by that time the colors had already assumed the basic form we are so familiar with.

As to the number of flags, before 1808 each battalion carried two flags, the 1st battalion carried one Leib, one Odinär, all other battalions carried two Odinärs. An order issue that year reduced the number to one flag per battalion and the extra flags were returned to depots and subsequently reissued to new units and auxiliary troops.

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