What if .....????? commets on the Hapsburg family feuding

[PF]

I've read that a cause of anger between Archduke Franz Ferdinard and his
family was their rejection of his choice of wife Sophia. Yet according to one
genealogical reference her family although only Barons (Lower nobility)
could in fact -over several centuries-trace their lineage back to a branch of
Hohenzollern family (same as the Kaiser) and thus were a equal par with
the Hapsburgs. Commets anyone?
By the way Emperor Maxamillian Hapsburg-nothing sums up his life so much as his Hofkirche Tomb. Grand looking on the outside-it is empty inside.
After his burial in St George Chapel-his heir realized that the tomb couldn't
be placed in the same building-the statutes of Max ancestors would have
gone through the chapel floor. So Max has two tombs-one plain and full;
one ornate and empty.

[Karl]

By the way Emperor Maxamillian Hapsburg-nothing sums up his life so much as his Hofkirche Tomb. Grand looking on the outside-it is empty inside.

Sorry but what do you mean by this.

So Max has two tombs-one plain and full;
one ornate and empty.

These sort of things happen in threes I suppose when you consider that his heart was buried up in Flanders, in the Liebfrauenkirche von Brügge next to his beloved first wife, the beautiful Maria.

[PF]

I ment that his life parrelled his tomb project-a grand ambition which failed
in reality

[maxxx]

The rejection of his marriage by the archhouse of austria was indirectly responsible for the outbreak of WW1:

Duchess Sofia was by law no member of the family- so she had to stay two steps behind her husband on official functions, was not allowed to sit close to the other archduke´s wifes and so on. Remember, even at their burial her coffin had to stand two steps lower than her husband´s!

The only function in which his wife was considered to rank aside him was Franz Ferdinands job as Inspector General of the AH-Army. So he took his trip to Sarajewo as a sort of present for his wife for their wedding day...

The house rule for the habsburg family was: Only direct members of ruling families were allowed to marry habsburgers.- No lady Di for an true archduke. (Maybe the Windsors should have sticked to that rule too?)

[PF]

And what was the result of that Hapsburg Rule?
The last Spainsh Hspaburg died out with a physical/mental wreck (Parents cousins 32 times apeice-2 x 32=64!!!!)
As regarding marrying Direct members of Ruling dynastys-Nap. Bonaparte
became the Emperor/dictator of France and his 2nd wife was a HApsburg
(not bad for a one-man dynasty), So much readiness to accept an
"upstart" like Bonaparte and so much snobishness to unaccept a lower
ranking member of a Germainic Rulling house like Sophia!!!
Any wonder the Hapsburgs are not even Hereditary Archdukes of Austria???
Franz Joseph-so out of touch he issued an order in regard to British POWS of
his "English regiment" the 17th/21st Lancers-as if they could be given special
treatment because he had been their "Colonel-In-Chief"
AN AMERICAN COUSIN

[maxxx]

1.)The special treatment for "his regiment" is IMHO a nice touch of an 84 year old monarch who was still deeply rooted in the chivalry of earlier wars.
A little more "old europe" like this instead of "modern industrial war" would have saved a lot of lives...

2.)What do you mean with:
"Any wonder the Hapsburgs are not even Hereditary Archdukes of Austria???"

3.)The upstart Napoleon was "Ruling" (one thing even his worst enemies could not deny...) so he was a possible object for the notorious Habsburg marriage policy. They got rid of him in a not so family-like way and treated his son like a black sheep. Did you know they even repainted his solid silver toy soldiers, converting them from french to austrian?
(austrian bureacracy has always been famous for such small scale crudelity.

4.) On poor old Carlos the last of spain: If i counted properly , he only had 7 instead of 16 grandgrandparents.... No wonder he did not look like a teenage idol...

[PF]

I simply ment that by holding onto a outdated marraige rule when Sophia
did in fact have quite acceptable lineage and nearly tearing a ruling dynasty
apart-is that progesss????

[maxxx]

i agree, the most conservative monarchy of europe beside russia was definitly not very progressive after 600 years of ruling. Remember how many changing dynasties have been there during the habsburg rule in britain or france.
But maybe the tradition was part of their "success" ?

[PF]

Im not sure if it was Carlos Hapsburg who was related 32 times over-still
who knows what would have happened if Hapsburs had payed a little more
attention to Memel's research on heredity or if even a little more to their own
history (The infamous HApsburg JAW for one)

[maxxx]

well Gregor Mendel and his research on genetic was a little late for carlos of spain- almost twohundered years....

[PF]

See website "THe Aerodrome"
URL http://www.theaerodrome.com/
go to Forum
go to People
Go to query "Question of RAnK" and
read the fantastic account of how five out of six Italian Planes were almost not shot down because of a question of rank of the crewmen of who flew AH Aircraft!!!!!!!!!
Any wonder Austria lost WOrld War I!!!!!!

[maxxx]

Well , some of us sacrifice success to style..... 8)