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Kruckenkreuz

Post by Marcus » 27 Aug 2002 12:48

Does anyone have any info on the Kruckenkreuz used by the Vaterländische Front?

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Post by Kurasier » 27 Aug 2002 22:58

HI
the Kruckenkreuz was as fas as I know a symbol for the renewal of Austria in the sense of the Austrofaschismus.
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Minor note

Post by White Leopard » 15 Nov 2002 19:45

In British heraldry, this design is labelled as a "Cross Potent".

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Post by Nagelfar » 09 Jan 2003 08:50

that's the same kind of cross that I've seen Lanz von Liebenfels wearing in pictures. he had access to a castle in austria, Werfenstein, I know this on the pretense that I've read he hoisted his own flag upon it. I wonder if there was any influence from his Order of the New Templars to the Dollfuss regime; with the use of that symbol.

It was also featured constantly on Liebenfels' periodical 'Ostara':

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also, I believe it was the symbol of the original knight's templars. whom didnt believe jesus was crucified, so depicted crosses, but never ones with jesus upon it. eventually they were said to worship 'baphomet' (a corruption of the name of their enemy's prophet, Muhammad) and were 'purged' by the king. probably for political reasons with the crusades.

and though it wouldnt be connected, I am quite positive it was the symbol of Pol Pot's communist party in cambodia. I cant find it online though, nor in fotw.net, but I remember seeing footage of soldiers in trucks flying a red flag with it on it in white. making an effect quite similar to the flag used in cambodia during japanese occupation (WWII). but I am certain it was this 'cross' symbol and it was during Pol Pot's reign.

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Post by Oderint Dvm Metvant » 22 Apr 2003 01:10

the original knight's templars. whom didnt believe jesus was crucified


I've read an awful lot about the Knights Templar and I have NEVER heard that, being a papally sanctioned military order while at the same time fostering such a rampantly heretical belief would have been better recorded. Where do you hear this?

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Post by Balrog » 22 Apr 2003 01:52

i agree, i've read several books on the templars, and have never heard of anything like the templars and them not believing jesus was crucified. if you have read that, please list the source. perhaps you are listing some supposed heresy that was used against the templars to justify their ruin.

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Post by Nagelfar » 02 May 2003 09:55

Oderint Dvm Metvant wrote:I've read an awful lot about the Knights Templar and I have NEVER heard that, being a papally sanctioned military order while at the same time fostering such a rampantly heretical belief would have been better recorded. Where do you hear this?


I know I've read in from more than one source, years ago. I wouldn't know where to begin to look, but if I find anything I'll post it.

anyhow, (from what I've read) they believed jesus was rather tied to a stake and left for dead, that the romans in that time & place didn't practice crucifixion. the belief of which was later exaggerated into one of their 'satanic heresies'.

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Post by Durand » 02 May 2003 14:53

Hallo,

Adding to some of what has been posted earlier in the thread, the Kruckenkreuz is a symbol that was used by some of the European pagan tribes and later by the European Christian crusaders. The Lombards and Visigoths are said to have used the symbol on their coins and, as Nagelfar pointed out, it is very similar to the symbol used by the Templars and others.

The Kruckenkreuz was used as a national symbol in Austria. I do not know when it first appeared in this capacity, but the Kruckenkreuz is on some Austrian coins minted in 1928. It was supposed to symbolise the connection between Austrian Germanic culture and Christian values.

When the VF was formed in 1933, it was designed to be a temporary one-party system to counter the threats of Marxism and radical National Socialism. Dollfuss hoped to decrease or negate the influence of German Nazism on the Austrian people by providing a more positive form of fascism that would be attractive to moderate Austrian Nazis. Dollfuss leaned more toward the politics of Mussolini. As a result, the VF and the Nazis were similar in organization and had similar platforms. As I understand it, the Kruckenkreuz was adopted because of its familiarity among Austrians and it's similarity to the Swastika. The idea being again to provide the right trappings to attract moderate Austrian nazis away from German nazism to the banner of the VF.

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Post by John Doe » 01 Aug 2003 17:42

Kruckenkreuz

Das Kruckenkreuz wurde dem Hakenkreuz als Symbol entgegengestellt. Es ist eine Vereinfachung des „Jerusalemkreuzes“ aus der Zeit der Kreuzzüge. Bundeskanzler Ignaz Seipel hat es erstmals offiziell eingeführt: Er wählte für das große Ehrenzeichen der Republik Österreich die Kruckenkreuzform. Außerdem veranlasste er dessen Verwendung auf den Rückseiten der Zwei- und Fünf- Groschenstücke anlässlich der Währungsreform 1924.
Der bewusste Rückgriff auf das Kreuzfahrer-Zeichen war ein Symbol für den politischen Katholizismus in der Ersten Republik.
(Vergleiche Spann, Gustav: Fahne, Staatswappen und Bundeshymne der Republik Österreich. ohne Ort, ohne Jahr. http://www.demokratiezentrum.
.org/download/Staatswappen.pdf [25.11. 2002] )


http://www.nationalsozialismus.at/Theme ... lfront.htm



"Transalated" to English ( http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ) :? :?
The Kruckenkreuz was against-placed to the swastika as symbol. It is a simplification of the?Jerusalemkreuzes? from the time of the crusades. Federal Chancellor Ignaz Seipel introduced it for the first time officially: He selected the Kruckenkreuzform for the large decoration of the Republic of Austria. In addition it arranged its use on the backs of the two and five of pieces of groschen on the occasion of the currency reform 1924. The conscious resort to the cross driver character was a symbol for the political catholicism in the first republic. (comparisons stretch, Gustav: Flag, state coat of arms and Bundeshymne of the Republic of Austria without place, without year


Also check http://www.nationalsozialismus.at/Theme ... lfront.htm ( german )

Regards, Javier

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