Terry Duncan wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 11:00
Actually, Glenn is mostly correct in what he has written here about the British governmental system in 1914. The British PM is not selected by Cabinet, they dont even have to sit in the House of Commons or only be supported by a single party. The last peer to hold office as a member of the House of Lords was the Marquis of Salisbury in 1902, whilst Sir Alec Douglas-Hume resigned his peerage as 14th Earl Home shortly after his predecessor as PM stood down as PM as late as 1963 (only later to re-enter the Lords as Baron Home of Hirsel.
There clearly was a neutralist faction in Cabinet in 1914 as the resignations of John Morley and John Burns shows, they were against war no matter what circumstances. The promised support from Bonar-Law no doubt focused a few minds who didnt wish to be out of government, and Belgium did the rest. Kier Hardy (and irrc Ramsey MacDonald) voted against the government in the deciding debate in the Commons, so there certainly were proponants of neutrality in all parties other than mabe the Conservative and Unionist party.
If Asquith resigned as PM upon losing a Cabinet vote over British intervention, he could then dissolve the government and attempt to form a new one before needing to call a general election, this power always rests with the PM, technically even after his party has lost an election as he can still be PM in a coalition government. This was part of the reason for the long delay in 2010 over who would be PM in an obviously hung parliament.
Terry Duncan wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 11:00
Actually, Glenn is mostly correct in what he has written here about the British governmental system in 1914.
No. He was be mostly wrong.
He was write
glenn239 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2021, 19:37
The Prime Minister held his position as a mandate from Parliament, not from Cabinet.
Not correct for to write
the Prime Minister held his position as a mandate from Parliament, .
Correct for to write
not from cabinet.
Terry Duncan wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 11:00
There clearly was a neutralist faction in Cabinet in 1914 as the resignations of John Morley and John Burns shows, they were against war no matter what circumstances
Majority on cabinet was be non-interventionist. Many was be
against war no matter what circumstances. Not one man was be "neutralist". Not one man was propose on britain for to declare neutral status.
On context july 1914.year when britain was declare neutral status on topic germany attack france was be same as
give permission on advance for germany attack france.
On context july 1914.year when britain was declare neutral status on topic germany attack belgium was be same as
give permission on advance for germany attack belgium and was
declare on advance britain was not respect 1939 treaty.
Not one man on cabinet was propose for britain to declare neutral status. Majority on cabinet was propose do nothing say nothing not declare no status on nothing to no country.
On many understandings consequence on declare neutral status and do nothing say nothing can to be same. But reason for consequence not be same.
Do nothing say nothing policy is non-interventionist.
Declare neutral status on context july 1914.year is interventionist because say something. Neutral status have consequence do nothing but have big consequence say something.
Terry Duncan wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 11:00
The promised support from Bonar-Law no doubt focused a few minds who didnt wish to be out of government, and Belgium did the rest.
Correct. Also i think news on same day about germany attack luxembourg and germany declare war on russia was be help decisions.
glenn239 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2021, 19:37
There was a neutralist faction.
Not correct
glenn239 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2021, 19:37
There was an interventionist faction.
Correct.
glenn239 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2021, 19:37
So, if one were to suggest that cabinet were set on a non-interventionist policy, that is
factually incorrect.
It was be factually correct.
On morning 2.august 1914.year before first meeting majority cabinet was be complete non-interventionist do nothing say nothing.
On afternoon 2.august 1914.year after first meeting majority cabinet was be complete non-interventionist do nothing say nothing.
On evening 2.august 1914.year after second meeting majority cabinet was be non-interventionist but was agree on continue exist policy and exist obligations.
glenn239 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2021, 19:37
There were a number of members that would have resigned rather than accept neutrality.
This must to be glen imagination story because not one man on cabinet was propose declare neutrality status.
glenn239 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2021, 19:37
The British had not chosen a policy on 2 August.
Cabinet was not choose
new policy. Cabinet was agree for to continue on exist policy and exist agreements and exist obligations.
Terry Duncan wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 11:00
If Asquith resigned as PM upon losing a Cabinet vote over British intervention, he could then dissolve the government and attempt to form a new one before needing to call a general election, this power always rests with the PM, technically even after his party has lost an election as he can still be PM in a coalition government. This was part of the reason for the long delay in 2010 over who would be PM in an obviously hung parliament.
Correct. There was be many different possibilitys. It was not simple like what was write glen. Glen was want peoples to think it was simple for to make glen imagination story.
Was threat asquith on resign on position leader liberal party ?
Was threat asquith on resign on position pm ?
Was threat asquith on dissolve the government ?
Was threat asquith on dissolve cabinet ?
Was threat asquith on call new election ?
Every one was be different. Every one was have different implications and consequences. Who was choose new leader liberal party ? Who was choose new pm ? Who was choose new government ? Who was choose new cabinet ? Who was choose new parliament on new election ?
On glen imagination story he want people for to believe britain cabinet was choose war. He want people for to believe grey and asquith and churchill was be guilty on start so much blood on ww1. He was make imagination story on grey and asquith was stop imagination neutralists from give permission on germany for to have quick war and quick victory on france and on russia and austria on serbia.
On real history cabinet was not agree on choose war. Cabinet was agree on two things on 2.august 1914.year. 1.britain was continue on respect obligations on anglo-french naval agreement on 1912.year. 2.britain was continue on respect obligations on 1839.year treaty. At end of day cabinet was agree on not change exist policy.
Germany was choose war not britain.