I need help for Id. heavy gun

[karlik]

I need help to identify this gun. It seems a Skoda design....

Hi!
I am embarrassed by gunners in German uniforms.
Maybe this Krupp 105mm field howitzer M. 1916
http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgar ... 916_Hb.htm

[Sturm78]

karlik wrote
I am embarrassed by gunners in German uniforms.
Maybe this Krupp 105mm field howitzer M. 1916
http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgar ... 916_Hb.htm

Ummmhhh. I don`t think 10.5cm leFH16 Krupp howitzer. There are many differences in recoil mechanisms, carriage, shield seats,.....

Sturm78

[EKZ17]

Hi!
I've found a pretty interesting image : a 12 cm Kanone C/80 fitted with a shield. I have never heard about such a contraption. Does anyone have any information?

[Hoplophile]

The barrel hanging from the crane looks like a 155mm L Mle 1877 de Bange barrel.

The barrel does, indeed, look like that of a "canon de 155 L modèle 1877." It is, however, missing both the lifting "eye" and the trunnions of the barrel of the piece de Bange designed. That, and the look of the wagon, suggest that the tube in question belongs to a "canon de 155 L modèle 1877-1914." (The later was made by modifying a barrel from the de Bange piece and mating it to a modern carriage that was, in essence, a scaled-up version of the carriage used with the "canon de 105 L modèle 1913.")

For long-distance travel, the barrel was separated from the carriage and mounted in a special trailer.

The illustration is from Alvin et André, Manuel d'Artillerie Lourde (Matériel), (Paris: Charles-Lavauzelle, 1919), p. 164
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[CharlieC]

The carriage for the Schneider Mle 1877/1914 gun came from a prototype 150mm gun Schneider had built for the Spanish Army. In the event the Spanish decided not to adopt the Schneider gun. The carriage is rather similar to the prototype 152mm gun built for the Russians which was adopted as the Model 1910 gun and built by Putilov. Schneider wanted to use their own 155mm barrel but the French Army insisted that a modified Mle 1877 barrel was used. (I guess they had lots of spare barrels in storage).

I think Schneider developed a carriage design that worked reasonably well for most guns and scaled it up or down to suit the requirements.

Regards,

Charlie

[Hoplophile]

Hi!
I've found a pretty interesting image : a 12 cm Kanone C/80 fitted with a shield. I have never heard about such a contraption. Does anyone have any information?

A search of the standard texts on German heavy artillery in the years leading up to 1914 yields no mention of a "schwere 12 cm Kanone C/80" with a shield. However, a search based on the appearance of the men serving the gun was somewhat more fruitful.

The number "6" on shoulder straps suggests that the men in the picture belong to the Silesian Foot Artillery Regiment Nr. 6, which, in time of peace, belonged to the VI. Army Corps. The "R6" on the helmet covers suggests that they were assigned to one of the two reserve battalions of that regiment mobilized in 1914.

As the two reserve battalions in question were armed with heavy field howitzers (sFH 02), I would not be surprised if the picture was taken while a gun crew from one of those units was using a 12cm gun for training. (The fact that the men are wearing bayonet knots reinforces my suspicion that the activity depicted took place in the safety of a rear area.)

As far as the dating of the picture goes, the fact that the Gefreiter on the left side of the picture (who seems to be writing something on a chalkboard) wears the ribbon of the Iron Cross suggests that the picture was taken sometime after the start of the war. The leaves on the trees, moreover, give the impression that the time of the year is spring. Thus, the picture may have been taken in the spring of 1915 or 1916. (Had it been taken in the spring of 1917 or 1918, the men would probably have been wearing steel helmets.)

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Can anyone identify this gun ?

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

[ROLAND1369]

My best guess would be an "88 MM Tbts.K L 45 in 88 MM Tbts L C 1913"

[ROLAND1369]

Disregard [revious message did't look at mount closely enough. Although the gun and recoil system look to be the 88 mm l 45 the mount is totally different.

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I am not sure about this heavy coastal gun. 28cm Küst.K. L45 gun of Batterie Tirpitz ??

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Nobody for my last image ?

Well, here an image from Alamy archive website. Could be this gun an Italian 203mm Mod.1897 L45 on DS carriage gun ?

Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Nobody for my last image ?

Well, I hope to have more lucky with this one. I am not sure. A rare 18.5cm Krupp L22 howitzer ??

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

[CharlieC]

Nobody for my last image ?

Well, here an image from Alamy archive website. Could be this gun an Italian 203mm Mod.1897 L45 on DS carriage gun ?

Sturm78

Almost certainly. The gun has been pushed back beyond the recoil rails but the mounting is the de Stefano mount. There's some confusion
over the de Stafano mounting - it was not only the strangely shaped 4 wheel carriage but also the inclined rails for recoil, the hydraulic brake to
bring the gun back into battery and the traverse arrangement.

Charlie

[Sturm78]

Thank you, Charlie

Do you have any comment about my images posted on 05 May and 19 May ?

Regards
Sturm78

[CharlieC]

I think you're right - the 19 May image is one of the Krupp 18.5cm M1917 Morsers. Only 12 of these howitzers were built so it is a rare gun.
According to Herbert Jaeger the howitzer didn't meet expectations so wasn't put into full production.

Charlie