I need help for Id. heavy gun

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Jul 2015 23:44

karlik wrote
It seems to me that it 7,5 cm Gebirskanone L/14 Model 1913
Thank you, karlik

So, the germans had the following mountain guns:

7.5cm Gebirgskanone M1908 (or M1904 ?? :? ) L17 Rheinmetall 12 for Schutztruppe in Africa
7.5cm Gebirgskanone M1914 L16 Rheinmetall 18 guns manufactured for China not delivered
7.5cm Gebirgskanone M1913 L14 Krupp 4 for Chile not delivered and more manufactured during the war
7.7cm Gebirgskanone M1915 L17 Rheinmetall

10.5cm Gebirgshaubitze M1912 L12 Rheinmetall only prototypes
10.5cm Gebirgshaubitze M???? L12 Krupp manufactured in series

Is this list completed ?? Any additional information and/or images will be wellcome

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by ludvig » 18 Jul 2015 12:41

Hello Sturm78 ,
The gun from 1 June 2015 is an Russian 254/45/D . Russian CD gun and Finland
" heritaged " 28 x guns .

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 22 Jul 2015 22:37

ludvig wrote
Hello Sturm78 ,
The gun from 1 June 2015 is an Russian 254/45/D . Russian CD gun and Finland
" heritaged " 28 x guns .
Thank you very much for your help, ludvig :wink:
Any idea about the other guns of my last images ??

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Jul 2015 11:27

Hi all,

Any idea about this German coastal gun ?

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Jul 2015 20:38

Nobody ?? :(

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 30 Jul 2015 21:02

It is a German "150 MM KL 40 in Küstenlafette C 07 Verschwindlafette" a 150 mm gun on a dissappearing carriage.

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 30 Jul 2015 21:08

It is a"150 MM KL 40 in Küstenlafette C 07 Verschwindlafette" a 150 mm coastal gun on dissappearing carriage.

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 31 Jul 2015 22:38

ROLAND1369 wrote
It is a"150 MM KL 40 in Küstenlafette C 07 Verschwindlafette" a 150 mm coastal gun on dissappearing carriage
Umhhh...Are you sure ?? :?
I think it is a larger caliber gun ... maybe 21cm or 24cm...
You can see the large size of the cartridge of ammunition, clearly too large to be 15cm

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 01 Aug 2015 04:57

I still believe that this is a 150 mm. I do not believe that the large cylindrical object is a charge but is the base for the sighting periscopes which were located on either side of the gun. If you look at the square box for the loading mechanism at the rear of the mount you will see a square hole in which you can see a projectile on the loading tray. It is much closer in size to a 150 mm than a larger caliber. While my knowledge of WW i german coastal guns is not as great as of US, I know of no heaver gun used by the Germans on a dissappearing carriage. As always I could be mistaken.

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Aug 2015 09:53

ROLAND1369 wrote
I still believe that this is a 150 mm. I do not believe that the large cylindrical object is a charge but is the base for the sighting periscopes which were located on either side of the gun. If you look at the square box for the loading mechanism at the rear of the mount you will see a square hole in which you can see a projectile on the loading tray. It is much closer in size to a 150 mm than a larger caliber. While my knowledge of WW i german coastal guns is not as great as of US, I know of no heaver gun used by the Germans on a dissappearing carriage. As always I could be mistaken.
Probably you are right, ROLAND1369. Thank you very much for your help. :wink:

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by ludvig » 01 Aug 2015 18:58

Hello Sturm78 .
Thanks for a interesting photo of 27 July 2015 .

It looks as an 21 cm SKL/45 in Verschwindlafette to me . Notice that the gun
has an horisontal breech block , the 15 cm KL / 40 in Küstenlafette C / 07
had vertical breech block . If you compare the gun barrel with photos /
postcard from Essen in 1913 it matches .

Krupp produced at least 3x different types of Verschwindlafette :
24 x guns 15 cm KL/40 in Küstenlafette for 5 x CD batteries
at Danzig , Swindemünde and Borkum

1 x gun 21 cm SKL/45 prototype at Essen Later Meppen

4 x guns 28 cm Kst. K . L/45 in Verschwindlafette for the Belgian coastal
fort Doel outside Antwerpen . These guns were confiscated by the Germans
in 1914 and later used in Battery Deich ,Wilhelmshaven - But in WW 2 some
of these gun barreles reappeared as 28 cm schwere Bruno rail guns . Two
28 cm schwere Bruno railway guns survived in Norway in 1950 s .

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by ludvig » 01 Aug 2015 19:07

Hello ,
J hope this link works :

http://static2.akpool.de/images/cards/123/1231059.jpg

It is old German postcard with an interesting photo caption

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Manuferey » 02 Aug 2015 03:02

Ludvig,

This excerpt of a 1910 German document mentions a 21 cm L/40 from Krupp. It looks the same as on the postcard. But the guns on the 1910 drawing and on the postcard still look different from Sturm78's picture: they do not have a large ring at the main rotation axis and have no ring at the second axis. In addition, they have a three-segment barrel compared to what look like two segments on Sturm78' picture. :?

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 02 Aug 2015 03:46

Once again the if you look at the shell visible on the loading tray, in comparison with the crew members, it cannot be larger than 150 mm.

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Manuferey » 02 Aug 2015 13:52

Here are pictures of the "15-cm KL/40 in Küstenlafette C/07" (Verschwindlafette):
http://landships.activeboard.com/t35010 ... /?r=507727.

You can see that the gun is indeed installed in the mounting with the breech in vertical position. In addition, there is no large ring around the main rotation axis. If it is a 15 cm gun based on the shell size, and not a 21 cm SK L/45, it could not be a 15 cm SK L/40.

Separately, are the German uniforms on the picture WW1 uniforms or Reichswehr uniforms?

Emmanuel

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