I need help for Id. heavy gun

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Nov 2015 19:56

Charlie wrote
I think it's a 305mm - the 254mm gun had more widely spaced B and C rings on the barrel.
Thank you for your answer, Charlie

Can somebody identify this italian howitzer ??

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by CharlieC » 02 Nov 2015 10:31

There was an experimental Jeffery Quad with Holt tracks - it's in Hunnicutt's book on Halftracks - but the track looked quite different compared to the model. The gun looks like a 3inch M1917 antiaircraft gun but (afaik) this was only produced as a fixed installation for coastal artillery. The 3inch M1918 was mounted on a trailer but looked quite different to the modelled gun.

So the model has some historical basis but is mostly fantasy.

The howitzer might be an Obice 105/14 Modelo 1918 designed by Ansaldo - about 120 built at the end and after WW1.

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by karlik » 02 Nov 2015 11:31

Thank you!

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 02 Nov 2015 21:36

Charlie wrote
The howitzer might be an Obice 105/14 Modelo 1918 designed by Ansaldo - about 120 built at the end and after WW1.
I did not know this howitzer.... 8O . Any additional information and/or image will be wellcome...

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by karlik » 02 Nov 2015 21:56

Sturm78 wrote: Any additional information and/or image will be wellcome.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/105/14_Mod._1917

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by CharlieC » 03 Nov 2015 22:48

The wikipedia text says the 105mm howitzer was based on a Schneider 1906 design. The attached is from a 1914 Schneider artillery catalogue from the Gallica archive. The Schneider 105mm looks somewhat similar although it has a different gun shield.

The French Army didn't adopt a 105mm howitzer - the Schneider 105mm was built for trials in Russia in 1907-8. The Russians adopted the 120mm Schneider howitzer rather than the 105mm (I'm currently researching light howitzers for Landships II).

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 04 Nov 2015 20:56

Hi Charlie,

It is posible but....I can see a good few differences .....


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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by CharlieC » 04 Nov 2015 22:33

Indeed - but the Italian Wikipedia text says the Ansaldo gun was based on the Schneider gun. One of the most obvious differences is the position of the trunnions which are so far to the rear the howitzer's breech is in front of the trunnions. You can see the equilibrator on the Ansaldo howitzer. I suspect the extreme position of the trunnions may have been the reason the Ansaldo howitzers were stored between the wars. When Krupp introduced rear positioned trunnions before WW1 artillery experts criticised this as giving excessive flexing of the barrel during firing and an unacceptable dispersion of shots.

The Italian Army adopted captured Skoda 10cm M14 howitzers as the standard light howitzer after WW1 which suggests the Ansaldo howitzer may have had some issues. (In fact, the Italian Army liked the Skoda howitzers so much a reworked 1920s Skoda howitzer was in service until the 1990s).

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Manuferey » 04 Nov 2015 22:47

According to Guy François in « Les Canons de la Victoire – Tome 3 », the type "OC 105 No.5" was a 1910 model, not a 1906 one.

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by CharlieC » 05 Nov 2015 06:07

Quite right - but Schneider hardly changed their designs at all for a specific calibre so the 1906 howitzer (which I haven't found an image for) will be very similar to the later 1910 one. Ansaldo made a lot of changes to the Schneider design - I suspect they may have tried to overpower the gun - the French design had a muzzle velocity of about 330 m/sec, the Ansaldo design 442 m/sec with a similar length barrel.

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Dec 2015 20:56

Hi all,

Can anyone identify this AA gun ??

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Manuferey » 06 Dec 2015 21:15

I think it is a 7,62 cm Sockelflak L/30 russ. 02.

See here for reference:
http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgar ... %20gun.htm

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 08 Dec 2015 14:02

Emmanuel wrote
I think it is a 7,62 cm Sockelflak L/30 russ. 02.

See here for reference:
http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgar ... %20gun.htm
Thanks, Emmanuel. I think you are right

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Dec 2015 19:30

Hi all,

Any idea about these coastal guns ?? :?

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Dec 2015 16:25

Nobody ??

Well, here another part of the same image...

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