I need help for Id. heavy gun

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by karlik » 03 Sep 2022 09:15

Sturm78 wrote:
01 Sep 2022 22:32
I need help to identify this gun. It seems a Skoda design....
Hi!
I am embarrassed by gunners in German uniforms.
Maybe this Krupp 105mm field howitzer M. 1916
http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgar ... 916_Hb.htm

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Sturm78 » 03 Sep 2022 17:30

karlik wrote
I am embarrassed by gunners in German uniforms.
Maybe this Krupp 105mm field howitzer M. 1916
http://www.bulgarianartillery.it/Bulgar ... 916_Hb.htm
Ummmhhh. I don`t think 10.5cm leFH16 Krupp howitzer. There are many differences in recoil mechanisms, carriage, shield seats,.....

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by EKZ17 » 26 Sep 2022 21:05

Hi!
I've found a pretty interesting image : a 12 cm Kanone C/80 fitted with a shield. I have never heard about such a contraption. Does anyone have any information?
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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Hoplophile » 11 Oct 2022 02:02

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27 Mar 2020 03:35
The barrel hanging from the crane looks like a 155mm L Mle 1877 de Bange barrel.
The barrel does, indeed, look like that of a "canon de 155 L modèle 1877." It is, however, missing both the lifting "eye" and the trunnions of the barrel of the piece de Bange designed. That, and the look of the wagon, suggest that the tube in question belongs to a "canon de 155 L modèle 1877-1914." (The later was made by modifying a barrel from the de Bange piece and mating it to a modern carriage that was, in essence, a scaled-up version of the carriage used with the "canon de 105 L modèle 1913.")

For long-distance travel, the barrel was separated from the carriage and mounted in a special trailer.

The illustration is from Alvin et André, Manuel d'Artillerie Lourde (Matériel), (Paris: Charles-Lavauzelle, 1919), p. 164
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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by CharlieC » 16 Oct 2022 05:50

The carriage for the Schneider Mle 1877/1914 gun came from a prototype 150mm gun Schneider had built for the Spanish Army. In the event the Spanish decided not to adopt the Schneider gun. The carriage is rather similar to the prototype 152mm gun built for the Russians which was adopted as the Model 1910 gun and built by Putilov. Schneider wanted to use their own 155mm barrel but the French Army insisted that a modified Mle 1877 barrel was used. (I guess they had lots of spare barrels in storage).

I think Schneider developed a carriage design that worked reasonably well for most guns and scaled it up or down to suit the requirements.

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Re: I need help for Id. heavy gun

Post by Hoplophile » 20 Oct 2022 16:21

EKZ17 wrote:
26 Sep 2022 21:05
Hi!
I've found a pretty interesting image : a 12 cm Kanone C/80 fitted with a shield. I have never heard about such a contraption. Does anyone have any information?
A search of the standard texts on German heavy artillery in the years leading up to 1914 yields no mention of a "schwere 12 cm Kanone C/80" with a shield. However, a search based on the appearance of the men serving the gun was somewhat more fruitful.

The number "6" on shoulder straps suggests that the men in the picture belong to the Silesian Foot Artillery Regiment Nr. 6, which, in time of peace, belonged to the VI. Army Corps. The "R6" on the helmet covers suggests that they were assigned to one of the two reserve battalions of that regiment mobilized in 1914.

As the two reserve battalions in question were armed with heavy field howitzers (sFH 02), I would not be surprised if the picture was taken while a gun crew from one of those units was using a 12cm gun for training. (The fact that the men are wearing bayonet knots reinforces my suspicion that the activity depicted took place in the safety of a rear area.)

As far as the dating of the picture goes, the fact that the Gefreiter on the left side of the picture (who seems to be writing something on a chalkboard) wears the ribbon of the Iron Cross suggests that the picture was taken sometime after the start of the war. The leaves on the trees, moreover, give the impression that the time of the year is spring. Thus, the picture may have been taken in the spring of 1915 or 1916. (Had it been taken in the spring of 1917 or 1918, the men would probably have been wearing steel helmets.)

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