Let me recall events so far, Bethmann first attempted to contact Berchtold on 28th July - after delaying the Kaiser's proposal of 27th until after Austria had already declared war - and still had no reply by the end of the 30th July, only a rather stange claim that Berchtold would have to consult Tisza when he could have simply talked to Franz-Joseph if he had so desired. None of this was ever reported to Sazonov, so the stupid repetion that Russia acted to avoid something about who's timing she knew nothing about, or if she were simply being stalled by Austria and Germany as had happened from the outset of the July Crisis, really offers nothing factual. Then again, you do rely on Fay, who like all others you rely on wrote before the 1930's - even the updated version isnt half way through the 1930's - and were writing without full access to the facts we know today. Having said that, many were available at the time, but people like Fay and to a far greater extent Barnes decided to ignore them.You no doubt remember that Berchtold's advisers had promised on July 30 that Berchtold would place Bethmann's telegrams before Emperor Franz Josef, and that he [Berchtold] would reply the next day after conferring with Tisza.
Just after? You mean Bethmann was already talking war before Russia mobilized, surely this destroys your contention it was only the full mobilization that led Germany to act? However, as you feel the need to bring up the matter of what Bethmann told various parts of the German government, let me bring up this from Albertini The Origins of the War of 1914 Vol III;Russia ordered general mobilization later that same day - just hours after Bethmann told the Prussian Council of Ministers:
"The declaration of 'Threatening Danger of War' meant mobilization, and this, under our conditions - mobilization towards both sides - meant war." (p 524)
So Bethmann starts off by telling a lie, claiming Berchtold did not wish to infringe on Serbian state integrity, a look a the note shows there were many such infringement, from limiting the Serbian press to involvement in the judicial process. More to the point, Bethmann claims Berchtold even went as far as to notify St Petersburg of this. Then again, I suppose it was hard to admit Berchtold was dragging him to war and refusing to listen to him as then it wouldnt be possible to sell the defensive war story.He had summoned the Ministers of State to today’s meeting to give them a survey of the present political situation, as far as this was possible. The situation varied from hour to hour and was still doubtful in view of the uncertain factors in developments. His Majesty had tried to get an understanding between the Vienna and St. Petersburg Governments. The Vienna Government, after the Serbian rejection of its terms, had made a declaration at St. Petersburg that it had no territorial aims and did not wish to infringe the integrity of the Serbian State [a statement which had never been made by Berchtold.]
So here it is clear Bethmann deceived the German people, altering the date of his communication so as not to admit Berchtold was simply ignoring him, knowing Bethmann would have to support him if Austria caused a greater war that the one she had already started. Now for the part you showed only the briefest element of;Therefore the Vienna Government proposed by a temporary occupation to take a gage for its demands and for the good behaviour of the Serbian Government. This dimarche, made yesterday, had as yet received no answer. [Was the Chancellor ashamed to say that the dimarche had been made as early as the evening of the 28th?]
Now we can see Bethmann mentions talks with Russia had been made difficult by the Russian mobilization, but not impossible, but that the decision for war was taken entirely within Germany, for reasons only applying to Germany, and not because Russia was about to attack Germany. And his final note, that a decision would be taken in Vienna about the proposals he had sent, needs to be seen as something less that hopeful, as Berchtold had refused the proposals mid-morning on 31st July anyhow.Parallel with these negotiations with Vienna an exchange of telegrams had been carried on between His Majesty and the Tsar. . . . The telegrams had crossed, and a further exchange had been rendered difficult by the intervening of Russian mobilization. . . . Germany and England had taken all steps to avoid a European war. . . . His Majesty approved that, before further decisions, the above-mentioned dimarebe at Vienna should be brought to a conclusion. As regards military measures: proclamation of imminent danger of war meant mobilization, and this in our circumstances —mobilization on both fronts—meant war. One could not fittingly carry on political and military actions at the same time. Probably today in Vienna the decision would be taken in the matter of the German and English proposals.
But Russia is not supposed to be alarmed when Germany and Austria undertake their own similar measures, not to mention Austria actually declaring war on Serbia?"Russia's responsibility lay also in the secret preparatory military measures which she was making at the same time that she was carrying on diplomatic negotiations These alarmed Germany and Austria."
What? You mean a protocol written in 1912 says that it will be helpful to gain a few days if possible? Are you trying to suggest the Russians must be stupid and should not be able to draw such sensible conclusions? During the 1st and 2nd Balkan War, Germany observed Russia conduct a 'secret mobilization' where she had 400,000 extra men under arms for months by using such measures, yet it didnt cause war despite these being the German estimates of what Russia had done. In 1914 Germany went to war hours after learning such a move had been put into place and before any mobilization order could bring troops to their depots.Those clever Russians don't miss a trick, do they?
Now of course if you condemn the Russian 'stealth' mobilization methods, you also condemn the German 'stealth' ultimatum that never once mentioned war as the result of non-compliance with its one-sided terms?
I have never said anything about noble Russians, they were no more or less noble that any of the Great Powers. Never mind, it was as good as your other attempts at building strawman arguments.Apparently, Fay has not grasped your central point that the noble Russians were simply protecting the poor Serbs.
Maybe you should take this opportunity to tell everyone here, especially the Belgian members and readers, what Belgium had done to bring war upon herself? Maybe you should also tell everyone why Britain should not be allowed to go to war and help them?This can only be understood by those who were equally noble in protecting the poor Belgians two days later.