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Olsztyn 1914

Post by Odilo88 » 16 Aug 2022 20:37

Hello is there a map with Russian troops around Olsztyn in first days of August 1914? Or photos too?

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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by Art » 16 Aug 2022 21:22

No Russian troops could be present near German Allenstein in early August 1914. Brief occupation of the town by the Russian XIII Corps occured in late August (Gregorian style)

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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by GregSingh » 17 Aug 2022 03:09

From 1915 German book about Tannenberg Battle, Google translated:
On August 25 (1914) government officials and troops left the city ​​of Allenstein on the rumor that the Cossacks were coming. Men, women and cattle appeared by the thousands, packed with suitcases, parcels, beds on the train stations and roads. No Cossacks came, but mob looted the main train station restaurant, many shops and homes. The "Allenstein Zeitung" reported:
"It is a disgrace to Allenstein that something like this could have happened. Nobody had to plunder out of hunger, because the provisions office had Army bread distributed the day before to anyone who wanted it." (Some of the looters were sentenced to prison by the court on October 26.)
The Russians marched in actually on Thursday, August 27, after a cavalry patrol itself was convinced that Allenstein was free of German troops. At first the Russians behaved in an exemplary manner, their commander even put posts in front of all hotels and grocery stores, almost everything was paid in cash, but large deliveries were requested immediately, e.g.120,000 kilograms of bread. On the night of Thursday, August 27th to Friday, August 28, the bakers baked with the help of volunteers, to keep the city from pillage, as much as was possible. Goods were finally delivered to the Russians: 25,000 kilos of bread, as well as 4,000 kilos of rice, just as much sugar.
Out of the 40,000 inhabitants there were only about 5000 left in the city.

Throughout Thursday (August 27) afternoon, the commanding Russian general considered blowing up two large railway bridges, south of the city, and announced that intention to Lord Mayor Zülch. According to Lord Mayor Zülch: I pointed out that Russian troops had already this city occupied and the blowing up of the bridges would only harmed Russian interests. In addition, Lord Mayor Zülch noted: There are no longer any German military trains in the area, the two railway stations and the railway line connecting them is occupied by the Russian troops, blowing up bridges does not have much sense.

Apparently the Russian commander who had no news about German advance was persuaded by the remarks of Lord Mayor Zülch, and the bridges were retained. Then on the following day (August 28) our troops returned to Allenstein, a detachment of Russians tried to blow up bridges in the last hour. But it was too late! The German cavalry patrol arrived at the bridges in good time, prevented the Russians attempts and took them into captivity.
27 August evening.jpg
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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by NavyCdo412 » 18 Aug 2022 22:14

Art wrote:
16 Aug 2022 21:22
No Russian troops could be present near German Allenstein in early August 1914. Brief occupation of the town by the Russian XIII Corps occured in late August (Gregorian style)
May be he referred to the town near Czestochowa ? But Russian troops arrived there in August 1914? So deep in German Reich?

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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by GregSingh » 19 Aug 2022 01:24

Olsztyn (Częstochowa County) was part of Russian Empire during 1815-1914.
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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by NavyCdo412 » 19 Aug 2022 15:10

do he refer to that latter? Are there maps?

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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by Odilo88 » 21 Aug 2022 20:12

Art wrote:
16 Aug 2022 21:22
No Russian troops could be present near German Allenstein in early August 1914. Brief occupation of the town by the Russian XIII Corps occured in late August (Gregorian style)

Yes exactly Olsztyn (Częstochowa County) in first days of August 1914

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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by Art » 23 Aug 2022 12:37

Several principal options:
7 Rifle Regiment/2 Rifle Brigade (quartered at Czestochowa in peacetime).
14 Hussar Regiment and 23 Horse Battery/14 Cavalry Division (quartered at Czestochowa)
14 Border Czestochowa Brigade (of 4 cavalry and 4 foot squadrons).

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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by Odilo88 » 23 Aug 2022 18:41

Hello, thank you

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Re: Olsztyn 1914

Post by Art » 24 Jan 2023 17:09

Somewhat related: peace-time location troops in the Warsaw Military District (a German map)
https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pag ... 96/zooms/8

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