Hotchkiss M22/25 Lmg's in Spanish Service.

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Hotchkiss M22/25 Lmg's in Spanish Service.

Post by andysyk » 15 Aug 2007 00:23

Did the ammunition strips for the Hotchkiss M22/25's in Spanish service load into the left or right of the reciever?
I believe it was the left but i would like confirmation.
Thanks in advance.

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Post by Booknote » 15 Aug 2007 21:04

From all the photographs and films I've seen have the ammunition strips being fed from the left side.

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Post by Fabi » 24 Aug 2007 12:14

I have one picture of Greek sodliers on which they seem to feed the Hotchkiss from the right...

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Post by The Edge » 06 Sep 2007 13:44

New photo appears (Chinese)

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This one is obviously feed from the right side.

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Post by andysyk » 29 Sep 2007 21:09

Great photo. It shows the feed tray is reversed with the cartridges facing downwards this is how the earlier Hotchkiss Portative or Mark 1's fed.

I have also seen the Greek picture and another Greek one showing feeding from the right.
I have seen a picture of a Turkish model feeding from the left and have been told there is a picture of Spanish Morroccans using the left hand side to feed.

Larger calibre Hotchkiss were marketed with either left or right hand feed - the end users choice. I am thinking that this may also be the case with the M22/25's

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Re: Hotchkiss M22/25 Lmg's in Spanish Service.

Post by Bob Lamoreaux » 09 Jan 2010 15:30

Just a word of caution -- from my own unpleasant experiences in photo interpretation of firearms -- negatives can be reversed, particularly for "artistic" or "layout" reasons. This is the reason the outlaw "Billy the Kid" was believed to have been left-handed. The printed photo got reversed and was only "caught" when someone noticed that the loading gate on the Winchester lever action rifle he was holding was on the "wrong" side!

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Re: Hotchkiss M22/25 Lmg's in Spanish Service.

Post by normski- » 16 Feb 2010 22:38

Were they modified to use a curved Bren type magazine feeding from the top?

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Re: Hotchkiss M22/25 Lmg's in Spanish Service.

Post by normski- » 11 Jun 2010 20:44

1. Was the Hotchkiss M1925 just an export version of the Hotchkiss M1922 and essentially identical to the M1924?
2. Did the Spanish army use top magazine loading, or side strip loading Hotchkiss M1925s? Or did they use a mix?

3. The Hotchkiss M1924 was the turret gun in the Bilbao armoured car. Did this version use a curved top loading magazine, or side strip loading?
4. Did the turret mounted M1924 retain the wooden stock?

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Re: Hotchkiss M22/25 Lmg's in Spanish Service.

Post by audrew » 03 Oct 2019 17:42

Armamento Ejercito Español 1875-1943 Calvò J
BARCELONA 1975 , DEPÓSITO LEGAL B-4515-1975, I.S.B.N. 84-400-8233-9
Mitrailleuse "HOTCHKISS" MODELE 1922
Calibre: 7 mm.
Longueur du canon: 600 mm.
Poids de l'arme: 12,2 Kgr.
Alimentation: bandes de 30 cartouches.
Taux de feu: 150 à 420 tours par minute.
Histoire: Il s’agit du fusil de mitrailleuse français Hotchkiss modèle 1909, calibré pour la cartouche espagnole de 7 mm, qui a été adopté par réglementation en Espagne par R.O. du 17-6-1922, il y avait dans notre armée la dénomination officielle du modèle 1922. Ce fut la première mitrailleuse à fusil de l'armée espagnole et elle fut distribuée en deux versions, avec des patins de soutien comme un fusil d'infanterie à fusil et avec un trépied et une selle comme une mitrailleuse légère pour la cavalerie.

Fusil mitrailleur "HOTCHKISS" TYPE I
Calibre: 7 mm
Longueur totale: 1 650 mm
Longueur du canon: 500 mm.Poids de l'arme: 8,5 Kgr
Alimentation: bandes de 15 cartouches
Taux de feu: 60 à 230 tours par minute.
Histoire: Sans son adoption officielle apparente, cette mitraillette à fusil a été distribuée dans l'armée à partir de 1924. Produit par la firme française Hotchkiss en tant que modèle 1922, sa figurine plus traditionnelle et supérieure, inférieure au modèle précédent adopté, est d'origine extérieure. nommé mitrailleur.

Fusil mitrailleur "HOTCHKISS" TYPE II
Calibre: 7 mm
Longueur totale: 1 650 mm
Longueur du canon: 500 mm
Poids: 8,8 Kgr
Alimentation: bandes de 15 cartouches
Taux de feu: 80 à 300 coups par minute
Histoire: Ce nouveau modèle a commencé à être distribué à partir de 1925, ce qui a provoqué une cadence de tir supérieure à celle du précédent. Physiquement, les deux modèles étaient pratiquement identiques, soulignant que la caractéristique la plus visible pour les différencier était les trous que présentait le coupe-flammes de ce modèle, orifices qui ne figuraient pas dans le pare-flammes du précédent. Cette similitude des deux modèles a pour origine le fait qu'ils ont reçu les désignations de "Type I" et "Type II", en maintenant la qualification de mitrailleur.
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