Sub machine guns in SCW

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Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Blasus » 25 Feb 2009 06:42

Were soldiers in this war issued sub machine guns? What kinds?

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Ironmachine » 25 Feb 2009 08:39

Not in great numbers, but they were used. Here you have a page with those models employed by the Republican Army:
http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/ ... Subfusiles
It is in Spanish, but I can translate the texts for you if you are interested.

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Blasus » 26 Feb 2009 02:31

Cool site! Do you know if they were issued to special units only like the assault guard?
Any info on what the nacionalistas used?

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Ironmachine » 26 Feb 2009 09:25

AFAIK, the nationalits received 170 MP-34 from German (20 with the Kondor Legion and 150 through HISMA). Apart from that, they had copies of the MP-34 produced in Spain, plus what captured submachine-gun they could obtain. I would say that they had a much lower number of these weapons than the EPR. But of course, as can be seen in the webpage I linked in my previous post, there is still much controversy about the numbers and models of submachine-guns in the SCW.

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Blasus » 26 Feb 2009 10:30

Do you know if Kondor regalos included MG-34's?

Thanks for all of this info!

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Ironmachine » 26 Feb 2009 12:41

Following the El legado de Sigfrido book by Lucas Molina Franco, German sent to the rebels 2.438 MG-13 machine-guns, 438 through the Kondor Legion and 2.000 through HISMA. No one of them was a "regalo", as they were paid for. AFAIK, there were no MG-34's for the Spanish Army. The Kondor Legion may have had them, but they were not given to Spanish forces.

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Kurt_Belarus » 12 Mar 2009 09:41

Ironmachine wrote:AFAIK, the nationalits received 170 MP-34 from German (20 with the Kondor Legion and 150 through HISMA). Apart from that, they had copies of the MP-34 produced in Spain, plus what captured submachine-gun they could obtain. I would say that they had a much lower number of these weapons than the EPR. But of course, as can be seen in the webpage I linked in my previous post, there is still much controversy about the numbers and models of submachine-guns in the SCW.
What is MP-34? Is it really submachine gun or you meant machine gun MG34?

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Ironmachine » 12 Mar 2009 14:21

It is really a submachine-gun, not the MG-34 machine-gun. I have seen it variously named Bergmann MP34, ERMA MP 34... nothing extrange, because weapons' nomenclature in the SCW was just a chaos. Probably it refers to this weapon:
http://www.artehistoria.jcyl.es/batallas/fichas/398.htm

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by Kurt_Belarus » 12 Mar 2009 15:25

Thanks for clarification!

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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by von thoma » 12 Dec 2011 20:39

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Spanish Submachine Gun Labora-Fontbernat.
9 x 23 mm Cal.

Photo:http://coi-army.blogspot.com/2011/04/la ... ernat.html
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Submachine Gun Labora-Fontbernat
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Re: Sub machine guns in SCW

Post by audrew » 21 Aug 2012 07:42

9 x 23 mm Submachine Gun Labora-Fontbernat.
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Spanish Submachine Gun Labora-Fontbernat.
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Post by audrew » 21 Aug 2012 07:53

Submachine Gun Labora-Fontbernat.
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