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Spanish mortars

Post by masqqqq » 07 Oct 2011 16:31

I'm looking for technical data ( range of fire, combat weight, shell wieght etc. ) pictures, diagrams of following mortars:
1. Mortero sistema Lafitte de 60mm and mortero Valero de 60 mm modelo 1926,
2. Mortero ligero Valero-Ecia, de 50 milímetros, modelo 1932, 1941 and 1942,
3. Mortero Franco de 120 mm modelo 1939,
4. Mortero Placencia de 240mm modelo 1940.

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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by karlik » 07 Oct 2011 18:10

masqqqq wrote:I'm looking for technical data ( range of fire, combat weight, shell wieght etc. ) pictures, diagrams of following mortars:
1. Mortero sistema Lafitte de 60mm and mortero Valero de 60 mm modelo 1926,
2. Mortero ligero Valero-Ecia, de 50 milímetros, modelo 1932, 1941 and 1942,
3. Mortero Franco de 120 mm modelo 1939,
4. Mortero Placencia de 240mm modelo 1940.
here is a little
http://www.elgrancapitan.org/foro/viewt ... =7&t=18667
http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/ ... rteros.htm

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Re: Spanish mortars

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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by karlik » 07 Oct 2011 19:55

But this is a mortar Valero modelo 1942 or no?
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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by Ironmachine » 07 Oct 2011 20:06

It is not the modelo 1942. According to my links, that photo is taken from the Prontuario de Armamento de 1939, and shows a variant of the modelo 1932 built by the Maestranza de Sevilla.

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Post by karlik » 07 Oct 2011 20:16

Ironmachine wrote:It is not the modelo 1942. According to my links, that photo is taken from the Prontuario de Armamento de 1939, and shows a variant of the modelo 1932 built by the Maestranza de Sevilla.
Thank you Ironmachine!

So no photos of the two mortars - Valero-Ecia de 50 mm modelo 1942 and Franco de 120 mm modelo 1939

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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by Ironmachine » 07 Oct 2011 21:19

The Valero 50mm modelo 1942 was similar to the modelo 1941.

Regarding the mortero Franco de 120mm, it is difficult to find photos. I can only provide this (not very good) picture. It is from the cover of Revista Española de Historia Militar nº 76:
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Inside the magazine there is an article about the employment of those mortars by the Spanish Blue Division and I suppose that more photos are included, but unfortunately I don't have the magazine.
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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by Ironmachine » 18 Oct 2011 19:50

I have a copy of the Carnet del Instructor - Descripción del mortero "Franco" de 120 mm. y su granada, a small (24 pages) pocket-sized booklet that describes in detail this weapon and how it works (it is obviously in Spanish). Unfortunately, it has no pictures but includes a detailed cross-view drawing of the tube mechanisms. If anyone is interested, I can scan and post it here.

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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by Sturm78 » 19 Oct 2011 20:26

It would be interesting.

On the other hand, Does somebody have any wartime images of the 81mm Valero M1933 mortar?

Thanks in advance. Sturm78

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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by Ironmachine » 20 Oct 2011 07:25

This one is from Manrique and Molina's Las armas de la Guerra Civil Española:
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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Oct 2011 09:58

Thank you very much, Ironmachine.

There are very few wartime images of this mortar.

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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by Ironmachine » 20 Oct 2011 11:32

Well, there are some wartime photographs in the catalog from the Fotografías de la Guerra Civil en Zaragoza. Talleres Mercier, fábrica de municiones (1936-1939) exhibition, though for obvious reasons they are not "action" pictures but images of the weapons in the factory. Anyway, here you are:
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Post by Ironmachine » 20 Oct 2011 11:35

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Re: Spanish mortars

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Oct 2011 15:54

Thank you very much, again, Ironmachine. :wink:

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