Spanish mortars
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Thank you very much for these images, Ironmachine.
How this mortar was loaded?
The mouth of the barrel is too high so that a soldier can load the grenade in the traditional way.
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How this mortar was loaded?
The mouth of the barrel is too high so that a soldier can load the grenade in the traditional way.
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But still they were loaded in the traditional way.
Yes, the 120mm "Franco" mortar was a standard muzzle-loading weapon. But you are right, the barrel was too long and consequently there were fire angles in which the muzzle was too high. That's why a ladder was provided with the carriage, in order for the loader to reach the muzzle in that cases. As it is said in the Carnet del Instructor - Descripción del mortero "Franco" de 120 mm. y su granada:
Yes, the 120mm "Franco" mortar was a standard muzzle-loading weapon. But you are right, the barrel was too long and consequently there were fire angles in which the muzzle was too high. That's why a ladder was provided with the carriage, in order for the loader to reach the muzzle in that cases. As it is said in the Carnet del Instructor - Descripción del mortero "Franco" de 120 mm. y su granada:
Regards.Sobre el armazón antes citado se articula una escala de inclinación variable, para permitir la carga del mortero por la boca.
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Thank you very much for your answer, Ironmachine.
A method a little strange and quite dangerous for the loader.
I think this mortar was used by Division Azul in Eastern Front and it also was evaluated by Italian Army during WW2
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A method a little strange and quite dangerous for the loader.
I think this mortar was used by Division Azul in Eastern Front and it also was evaluated by Italian Army during WW2
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Yes, it was used (more properly, evaluated in combat) by the Blue Division. AFAIK, the division only had one "sección" (2 mortars?).Sturm78 wrote:I think this mortar was used by Division Azul in Eastern Front and it also was evaluated by Italian Army during WW2
Regarding its evaluation by the Italian Army, I can't say anything. I have never seen a reference to that.
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Sturm78, are you sure that the "Franco" mortar was evaluated by the Italian Army during WW2? Do you have a source for that?
Could it have been the Ecia-Valero 120mm, and not the "Franco", the model that was evaluated by the Italians?
Thanks.
Could it have been the Ecia-Valero 120mm, and not the "Franco", the model that was evaluated by the Italians?
Thanks.
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My source is the book "Le Armi della Fanteria Italiana (1919-1945)" of Nicola Pignato and Filippo Cappellano.Ironmachine wrote
Sturm78, are you sure that the "Franco" mortar was evaluated by the Italian Army during WW2? Do you have a source for that?
Could it have been the Ecia-Valero 120mm, and not the "Franco", the model that was evaluated by the Italians?
In page 174: "Nel corso del conflito furono sperimentati a lungo diversi tipi di mortai da 120mm sia di concezione nazionale che straniera: due modelli Brandt.......; un modello spagnolo Franco a traino meccanico con affusto a treppiede e freno recuperatore a molla contenuto nella culatta;"
In page 170 there is an image of this mortar. I will try scanned it.
Do you have any image of Ecia-Valero 120mm mortar?
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Thanks, very interesting info.
Can't help you with the Ecia-Valero 120mm, I don't remember having seen an image of it.
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Can't help you with the Ecia-Valero 120mm, I don't remember having seen an image of it.
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Ah, this is the one in the Museo Militar de Valencia, isn't it? I have forgotten about it. IIRC it is an Ecia-Valero 120mm, yes.
Now that I remember, there also another picture of an Ecia-Valero 120mm, but it is rather small. Probably Sturm78 already knows it, as it comes from the elgrancapitán webpage:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/p7200013.jpg
Now that I remember, there also another picture of an Ecia-Valero 120mm, but it is rather small. Probably Sturm78 already knows it, as it comes from the elgrancapitán webpage:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/p7200013.jpg
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Yes, it is from here
http://www.amigosmuseovalencia.es/visit ... 9&planta=1
http://www.amigosmuseovalencia.es/visit ... 9&planta=1
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Hi all,
Here a better image of an 120mm Ecia-Valero mortar (from http://www.panzernet.com).
Does somebody have any information about this mortar?
Technical specifications, year of entry into service, number manufactured,.....and wartime images.
Thanks in advance.
Sturm78
Here a better image of an 120mm Ecia-Valero mortar (from http://www.panzernet.com).
Does somebody have any information about this mortar?
Technical specifications, year of entry into service, number manufactured,.....and wartime images.
Thanks in advance.
Sturm78
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Nobody ??
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Nobody for 120mm Ecia-Valero mortar ??
Well, here an image of a 240mm M1940 Placencia mortar (from http://www.panzernet.com).
Any information and wartime images will be wellcome
years of manufacture, number,....
See also:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... a#p1410054
Sturm78
Well, here an image of a 240mm M1940 Placencia mortar (from http://www.panzernet.com).
Any information and wartime images will be wellcome
years of manufacture, number,....
See also:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... a#p1410054
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This mortar was produced after the SCW, so it is going to be very difficult to obtain a wartime image...Well, here an image of a 240mm M1940 Placencia mortar
Any information and wartime images will be wellcome
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Ironmachine wrote
This mortar was produced after the SCW, so it is going to be very difficult to obtain a wartime image...
I know this howitzer was manufactured after the Spanish Civil War. I meant a picture taken in the 1940s, in service with spanish Army
Do you have any oinformation about this mortar or the 120mm Ecia-Valero mortar of my previous image??
Nobody seems to have any information or "wartime" images of these weapons.
Wartime = in service with spanish Army, not museum images.
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