Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

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Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

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Post by Arto O » 12 Dec 2011, 21:52

Hi,
What axis airplanes (German and Italians) took part in Spanish Civil War, and especially photos of them.
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Post by Ironmachine » 13 Dec 2011, 09:02

For the aircraft that took part in the Spanish Civil War (both Axis and non-Axis), take a look here:
http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/mod ... n/did.html
For photos, you can go here:
http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrval/GCE.HTM
but a simple google search will provide more than enough pictures of SCW aircraft.
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Post by Arto O » 13 Dec 2011, 21:52

Thanks Ironmachine,
"Holy cow", or should I say here in Peru "holy llama", I never imaniged there were so many different models. I will start to study. I wonder which ones took part in Guernica massacre, but there is a link in AHF.
I cannot open the second link, that was ONE of my reasons to ask for photos.
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Post by Ironmachine » 14 Dec 2011, 10:19

The best estimates about the bombing of Guernica on 26 April are that it was carried out by 18 x Ju 52, 3 x Savoia S.79, and 3 German twin-engine aircraft (probably 1 x Do 17 and 2 x He 111).
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Post by Ironmachine » 14 Dec 2011, 10:50

It should be noted that the Ju-52s bombed as a group, while the twin-engined aircraft acted independently and individually. The Italian aircraft attacked together, but independently of the German aircraft.

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Post by Arto O » 13 Feb 2012, 05:09

Hi,
Heinkels 111 B o E?, for me it looks F-4.
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Devastion in Guernica
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Post by Arto O » 13 Feb 2012, 05:30

Hi,
Was it this one, which took part in Guernica bombing? I suppose it was the first model with machine gun down (cubo de basura)
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, Junkers Ju 52 3m-g3e?
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Post by Arto O » 13 Feb 2012, 06:32

Or this one? At least in the picture they look different.
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Post by Ironmachine » 13 Feb 2012, 10:11

Arto O wrote:Was it this one, which took part in Guernica bombing?
The Ju 52s that bombed Guernica were aircraft of the Legión Cóndor, that is, German aircraft. The ones you show, with the yoke and arrows in the black disc on the fuselage side, are very probably Spanish aircraft. The first one is surely in Spanish service, as in its tail of the first aircraft there is the code 2-G-22, which was a Spanish bomber group. Here you can see a photo of this aircraft (named "Navarra"):
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo.asp?id=211255

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Post by Arto O » 13 Feb 2012, 15:25

Hi Ironmachine,
I know. I wasn´t clear enough. I was meaning the models, like in this case Ju 52 3m-g3e, as I have only one book about Third Reich airplanes, and in this they mentioned that it was 3m-g3e that took part in Guernica, but without a illustration, I started to check in internet, and found those examples. So I wanted to know how they look like.
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Post by von thoma » 14 Feb 2012, 16:06

So I wanted to know how they look like.
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Legion Condor Junkers Ju-52.
The Condor Legion aircraft were fairly consistently painted with black discs on the fuselage sides and upper and lower wings,the wing discs typically bearing white crosses from quite an early stage in the war.The fuselage discs often provided a canvas for various personal and squadron emblems, usually in white.The Nationalist yoke and arrows were often painted on the fuselage discs of Spanish Nationalist aircrafts late in the war.

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Post by Arto O » 16 Feb 2012, 03:59

Thanks,
What I remember to read when being a young boy, that the attack to Guernica started with bombing followed by machine gunning. If there were no fighters in the attack, did the bombers returned for the machine gun firing?
Italian Savoias S-79:
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Post by Ironmachine » 16 Feb 2012, 09:34

Arto O wrote:What I remember to read when being a young boy, that the attack to Guernica started with bombing followed by machine gunning. If there were no fighters in the attack, did the bombers returned for the machine gun firing?
Oh, but there were fighters involved in the operation: 10 Italian Cr-32 and 4 or 5 Bf 109, providing escort for the bombers. It seems that the He 51s, which that are frequently mentioned as taking part in the operation, did not fly in the area on this day.
I did not mentioned the fighters in my previous posts because they really did not "bomb" the village.
However, it should be remembered that the supposed strafing of Guernica is a subject of much controversy. It seems that the fighters really strafed the roads outside Guernica, not the village proper.
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Post by Arto O » 18 Feb 2012, 02:25

Thanks again Ironmachine.

An Italian Cr-32
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German Bf 109, which model exactly????
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Italian Fiat BR 20 Cicogna. Didn´t took part in Guernica.
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Post by Arto O » 18 Feb 2012, 02:54

There is an interesting photo of Savoia SM-81 on http://www.superstock.com/stock-photogr ... /civil+war,
which looks retouched?, and it is different from this one. The one illustrated here, of course, is not from the time of SWC.
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