Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

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Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Postby Arto O » 12 Dec 2011 20:52

Hi,
What axis airplanes (German and Italians) took part in Spanish Civil War, and especially photos of them.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Ironmachine » 13 Dec 2011 08:02

For the aircraft that took part in the Spanish Civil War (both Axis and non-Axis), take a look here:
http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/did.html
For photos, you can go here:
http://usuarios.lycos.es/mrval/GCE.HTM
but a simple google search will provide more than enough pictures of SCW aircraft.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Arto O » 13 Dec 2011 20:52

Thanks Ironmachine,
"Holy cow", or should I say here in Peru "holy llama", I never imaniged there were so many different models. I will start to study. I wonder which ones took part in Guernica massacre, but there is a link in AHF.
I cannot open the second link, that was ONE of my reasons to ask for photos.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Ironmachine » 14 Dec 2011 09:19

The best estimates about the bombing of Guernica on 26 April are that it was carried out by 18 x Ju 52, 3 x Savoia S.79, and 3 German twin-engine aircraft (probably 1 x Do 17 and 2 x He 111).
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Ironmachine » 14 Dec 2011 09:50

It should be noted that the Ju-52s bombed as a group, while the twin-engined aircraft acted independently and individually. The Italian aircraft attacked together, but independently of the German aircraft.

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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Arto O » 13 Feb 2012 04:09

Hi,
Heinkels 111 B o E?, for me it looks F-4.
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Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-C0214-0007-013,_Spanien,_Flugzeug_der_Legion_Condor.jpg

Devastion in Guernica
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Arto O » 13 Feb 2012 04:30

Hi,
Was it this one, which took part in Guernica bombing? I suppose it was the first model with machine gun down (cubo de basura)
junkers-ju-52-3m-g3e-fuerza-aerea-nacional-1937.jpg
, Junkers Ju 52 3m-g3e?
junkers-ju-52-3m-g3e-legion-condor-bando-nacional-1936.jpg

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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Arto O » 13 Feb 2012 05:32

Or this one? At least in the picture they look different.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Ironmachine » 13 Feb 2012 09:11

Arto O wrote:Was it this one, which took part in Guernica bombing?

The Ju 52s that bombed Guernica were aircraft of the Legión Cóndor, that is, German aircraft. The ones you show, with the yoke and arrows in the black disc on the fuselage side, are very probably Spanish aircraft. The first one is surely in Spanish service, as in its tail of the first aircraft there is the code 2-G-22, which was a Spanish bomber group. Here you can see a photo of this aircraft (named "Navarra"):
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo.asp?id=211255

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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Arto O » 13 Feb 2012 14:25

Hi Ironmachine,
I know. I wasn´t clear enough. I was meaning the models, like in this case Ju 52 3m-g3e, as I have only one book about Third Reich airplanes, and in this they mentioned that it was 3m-g3e that took part in Guernica, but without a illustration, I started to check in internet, and found those examples. So I wanted to know how they look like.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby von thoma » 14 Feb 2012 15:06

So I wanted to know how they look like.


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Legion Condor Junkers Ju-52.
The Condor Legion aircraft were fairly consistently painted with black discs on the fuselage sides and upper and lower wings,the wing discs typically bearing white crosses from quite an early stage in the war.The fuselage discs often provided a canvas for various personal and squadron emblems, usually in white.The Nationalist yoke and arrows were often painted on the fuselage discs of Spanish Nationalist aircrafts late in the war.

Photo:http://dr-1model.foroactivo.net/t322-junkers-ju-52-3m-legion-condor-revell-1-72
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Arto O » 16 Feb 2012 02:59

Thanks,
What I remember to read when being a young boy, that the attack to Guernica started with bombing followed by machine gunning. If there were no fighters in the attack, did the bombers returned for the machine gun firing?
Italian Savoias S-79:
s79_111_st_aviazione_legionaria.jpg
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Ironmachine » 16 Feb 2012 08:34

Arto O wrote:What I remember to read when being a young boy, that the attack to Guernica started with bombing followed by machine gunning. If there were no fighters in the attack, did the bombers returned for the machine gun firing?

Oh, but there were fighters involved in the operation: 10 Italian Cr-32 and 4 or 5 Bf 109, providing escort for the bombers. It seems that the He 51s, which that are frequently mentioned as taking part in the operation, did not fly in the area on this day.
I did not mentioned the fighters in my previous posts because they really did not "bomb" the village.
However, it should be remembered that the supposed strafing of Guernica is a subject of much controversy. It seems that the fighters really strafed the roads outside Guernica, not the village proper.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Arto O » 18 Feb 2012 01:25

Thanks again Ironmachine.

An Italian Cr-32
fiat_cr32bis_aviazione_legionaria.jpg


German Bf 109, which model exactly????
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Italian Fiat BR 20 Cicogna. Didn´t took part in Guernica.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes

Postby Arto O » 18 Feb 2012 01:54

There is an interesting photo of Savoia SM-81 on http://www.superstock.com/stock-photogr ... /civil+war,
which looks retouched?, and it is different from this one. The one illustrated here, of course, is not from the time of SWC.
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